| Sep-27-17 | | beenthere240: If black wants to give up here, perhaps he should have resigned after 1 e4. |
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| Sep-27-17 | | Sokrates: Some truth in what you say. But on closer inspection, it is hard for black to 1) get a safe accomodation for his king, 2) do anything active with his bishop, since it has no squares to go, momentarily, 3) likewise activating the queen who is bound to defending the pawn g7. Exchanging queens with for instance Qf6 would inavoidable lead to a lost endgame because of white's extra pawn. Sure he will be able to push the pieces around yet for a while, but Granda Zuniga must have decided not to prolong the pain. If any type of position would be a feast for the world champion, this is one of them. |
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| Sep-27-17 | | MindBoggle: Of course white is much better, but resignation seems rather premature.
On the other hand...
Let's say Granda finds some way to hang on. What will happen?
Well - Magnus' stamina is legendary, and he is going to grind and grind and grind until the cows come home.
I guess Granda didn't like that prospect.
Maybe he thought: "Why struggle for 5 hours only to (most likely) lose anyway? Better save my energy for a situation, where my odds are better." |
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| Sep-27-17 | | Phi: In an interview from chess.com Carlsen briefly mentioned that it is a very thematic win as his queen controls all the light squares.
It sounded as he didn't think the resignation was premature.
But obviously it would be nice to see a line or a plan how this is actually winning. |
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Sep-27-17
 | | tamar: You can get an engine line by clicking on "ENGINE" to the right. Not Magnus, but gives an idea how White would proceed. Put the Bishop on c3 and Black is confined to endless defense. 1) +1.62 (34 ply) 28...b6 29.h4 Qd7 30.Bc3 Bf8 31.d5 cxd5 32.Be5+ Kb7 33.b4 Qe7 34.Bc3 Qc7 35.Bb2 Qd7 36.h5 Kc7 37.Bd4 Kc8 38.b5 Kc7 39.a4 Kd8 40.Kh2 Qb7 41.Kh3 Qe7 42.f3 Qc7 43.Qf5 Qd6 44.Be5 Qd7 45.Kg4 g5 46.Qxd7+ Kxd7 47.Kf5 Ke7 48.Kg6 Kd7 49.Bg7 Bxg7 50.Kxg7 d4 51.Kxh6 |
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| Sep-27-17 | | Calli: The endgame looks lost. White can play Bc3 and d5, followed by Bxg7 and then win the h pawn. A piece of cake, I think. A bigger question is how did he miss Ng6+ It's the obvious threat when White plays Rae1. The logical reply was to move the B in front of the iso pawn and after Bd5, Black threatens Nxh7. I think he would soon equalize with c5. |
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Sep-27-17
 | | keypusher: <Calli> I said this on his page, but I think disgust at missing 21.Ng6+ may have had as much to do with Granda's resignation as his evaluation of his chances after 28.Qg6. |
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| Sep-27-17 | | Marmot PFL: Black has no counterplay, the question is what would you rather have, rest time or the lesson in technique? |
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| Sep-27-17 | | Joseph Blackcape: Black was down a pawn with much less time on the clock and no apparent counterplay in a position that Magnus loves to grind for hours. While he could of course keep playing, the result was most likely to be same except after an exhausting play. The resignation might seem premature, but it's pretty understandable. |
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Sep-28-17
 | | Check It Out: One wonders if this previous miniature played in to the seemingly early resignation. After all, if it was your first, and likely only, chance to play the champ wouldn't you draw it out just to prolong the moment? Carlsen vs Granda Zuniga, 2006 |
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| Sep-29-17 | | Al2009: Granda's resignation is totally understandable. Some kibitzers wrote that Carlsen can grind "for hours" this kind of positions. Sorry for them, it is not a matter of "hours", as Black's position quickly collapses in a few moves, after White's Bc3 and d5. If Black plays ...Be5 (after d5) then Qe4! - Bf6 (or Bd6) and after the trade of Queens pawn g7 is quickly lost as well. |
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| Sep-30-17 | | dannygjk: Whoever entered the PGN didn't do it properly or the viewer, "corrected" the PGN. |
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| Oct-01-17 | | Ulhumbrus: If 20 Rae1 threatens Ng6+ displacing the f7 pawn defending the bishop on e6 this suggests 20...Bd5 removing the target |
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| Oct-01-17 | | Olsonist: In my basketball career, such as it was, I played with some NBA players and some European pros. I didn't expect to win but you couldn't drag me off the court. |
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| Oct-06-17 | | Joseph Blackcape: <Al2009: Granda's resignation is totally understandable. Some kibitzers wrote that Carlsen can grind "for hours" this kind of positions. Sorry for them, it is not a matter of "hours", as Black's position quickly collapses in a few moves, after White's Bc3 and d5. If Black plays ...Be5 (after d5) then Qe4! - Bf6 (or Bd6) and after the trade of Queens pawn g7 is quickly lost as well.> How do you win the g7 pawn if Black plays 28... Qd7 (to keep the Queen on the 7th rank <and> free the way for the Bishop to f8 to double-defend the pawn) and then after 29. Bc3 plays 29... Bf8? 30. d5 that you propose as the continuation just lets Black take the d pawn and after 31. Be5+ play Kc8/d8. Magnus is still winning, but it doesn't seem to be that quick (in a few moves) and the g7 looks to be holding. |
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