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May-04-02
 | | Sneaky: If Tal attempted to continue his counterattack with 20. ...Qa5 (threatening Ra1#) I think Fischer would have simply played 21. b3. |
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| Nov-17-02 | | pawntificator: I just can't believe Fischer gives up his queen before he is even halfway through the game!! What a guy! |
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| May-23-03 | | trestor aleostro: Great moves: 19. O-O-O! and 23. fxe5!! |
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May-23-03
 | | Honza Cervenka: 6...Nf6 is not good move in this line. But it sometimes appears even in games of GM's because some players are playing opening phase of Sicilian a little bit automatically.... See Games Like Fischer vs Tal, 1961 |
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| May-23-03 | | skakmiv: What happens if 23..Qc3? |
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May-23-03
| | Honza Cervenka: 24.Qxb6 |
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| Jun-30-03 | | chessaintforwimps: if tal plays 20..Qa5 then has he got an answer to Bh5? i cant see one,theres no way fischer would play 21 b3?? it probaly loses.this game has been well analyses and the thought is tal was lost on move 8 or somthing that early check out life and games of tal,fischer didnt give tal a chance for a counter attack it was a good thrashing from maybe the best player of all time. |
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| Jun-30-03 | | euripides: 21..Ra1 mate seems a reasonable reply to 21 Bh5,unless Black has something better. |
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| Jun-30-03 | | drukenknight: when Tal pulls the R back, that seems to be a big mistake. It looks like 21 Bd3 is stronger than what was played, last time I went over this it seemed to win quickly. I dont know what the rest of the commentators said but Wade/OConnel give 21 Bh5 but I dont see that. Can we save Tal then after move 21? |
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| Jul-08-03 | | chessaintforwimps: i was answering sneaky,if tal played 20...Qa5 fischer would more then likely play 21 Bh5 not 21 b3?? |
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Jul-08-03
| | Honza Cervenka: <chessaintforwimps> You are missing one little detail. After 20...Qa5 black threatens to play 21...Ra1#. Then 21.b3 or 21.b4!? (white queen protects a1 after that) would have been necessary. 21.Bh5 leads to an immediate mate. By the way, 20...Qa5 21.c3 Qa4 is not satisfactory for white. |
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| Jul-08-03 | | drukenknight: it might helpful to explain that the # symbol means "checkmate." Not sure if chessaintforwimps is aware of this. Black will checkmate if you dont respond to 20...Qa5 |
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| Jul-08-03 | | chessaintforwimps: sorry guys rxa2 didnt happen on my screen,yea fischer just plays 21 b4 in reply to 20...Qa5 |
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| Jul-08-03 | | chessaintforwimps: 20...Qa5 21 b4 Qa4 22 Bd3 winning the rook? if anyone can find anything better for black let me know? |
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| Jul-08-03 | | chessaintforwimps: in my above variaition if black plays 22...b6 23 rhe1 and say for example 23...ra3 then white has a sexy rook sac on e6! theres gonner be a killer rook sac coming sooner rather than later!!!! wp fischer |
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| Sep-13-03 | | Benjamin Lau: I'm not too sure what so many people find so special about this game. It looks only like Tal blundered early on and spent the rest of his turns pretending he didn't. 12... a6? in response to 12. e5 looks like a horrible move. A classic rule of thumb that has exceptions, but apparently not in this case, is to not attack one of your opponent's pieces in response to them attacking one of yours, because they get to go first. After 14. fxg7, Tal's position is simply horrible. I suppose the point of 12... a6 earlier was to open up the a file if Fischer left the knight en prise but that apparently wasn't such a good plan. The point is that after Tal is forced to play 14... Rg8, he reduces his other rook to passivity, cancelling out the activity of his other rook, but he is still left uncompensated for the kingside weakness he has saddled himself with. Fischer and Tal have both played awesome games. This, in my opinion, was not one of them. |
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Sep-13-03
 | | Benzol: This game must have special for Fischer himself as it was the first time he'd beaten Tal in six attempts. |
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| Sep-13-03 | | Sylvester: I don't think Fischer ever lost to Tal again after the 4 losses in that candidates tournament. |
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| Sep-13-03 | | Brian Watson: <Benjamin Lau>
Okay, but what would be the alternative to 12...a6? 12..Nd5 drops a pawn, and after the passive 12..Ng8 white plays Ne4 and N(b)d6, which would surely be misery. I think 12..a6 is more of an "interesting try" than a blunder.Tal's play may have played below standard here, but don't think that detracts from the brilliance of Fisher's 19th and 23rd moves. |
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| Sep-14-03 | | Sylvester: Tal's book says he won this tournament with 14.5/19 and this was the only game he lost. Tal says Fischer took Najdorf aside to prepare him for his final round game with Tal. Fischer told Tal he would draw with Ivkov (which he did Ivkov vs Fischer, 1961) and share first place with Tal. But Tal played a surprise move 6 (not 6.Bg5) in his game and won the game Tal vs Najdorf, 1961 and the tournament. |
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Sep-15-03
| | Benzol: Fischer's score of 31/2 out 4 against the Soviet contingent which includes the win over Tal must have been very satisfying. |
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| Oct-05-03 | | Benjamin Lau: Tal blundered very early in the opening as Honza pointed out previously and so it's best to start there for improvements. The opening explorer suggests 6... d6! or 6... a6! (which equalize) rather than 6... Nf6?? |
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| Oct-05-03 | | Shadout Mapes: i like 6...a6 to prevent Ndb5. |
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| Jan-03-04 | | aampl: b lau whats so special? maybe the fact that fischer was a teenager when he beat one of the best players in the world |
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| Jan-03-04 | | Benjamin Lau: Aampl, how special is the game still if one of the best players of the world makes a horrible, and maybe losing error as soon as move 6? It's not hard to play brilliantly when you're already up ahead. The may be special to Fischer of course, I'm just saying the game isn't all that great. Both players have done better than this.
For a list of Tal masterpieces, you need only turn to Shadout Mapes' profile. For a list of Fischer Gems, go to Rookpawn's profile and find Fischer's games in the huge collection. |
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