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|Sep-15-16|| ||WorstPlayerEver: If 32. Ke2 then Qd3|
|Sep-15-16|| ||agb2002: The material is identical.
White threatens g4.
The white knight stops ... Re1#. The pawn on f5 blocks the queen (... Qb5). These details lead to consider 30... f5:
A) 31.gxf4 Qb5
A.1) 32.c4 Qxc4 33.Ke2 (33.Nxc4 Re1#) 33... Qc2+ (or 33... Ne1) 34.Kxf3 Qxd3 - + [R vs N].
A.2) 32.Ke2 Ne1 33.Kxe1 (33.c4 Qxc4 as in A.1) 33... Qxd3 - + [R vs N+P] followed by Qb1 and White's queenside is about to disappear.
A.3) 32.Qxf3 Qxd3+ 33.Kg2 (else 33... Qb1+) 33... Qb1 as in A.2.
B) 31.g4 Qb5 (31... fxe3 32.Qxf3 -32.gxh5 e2#- is unnecessarily complex) as in A.
C) 31.Nc2 Nh4
C.1) 32.gxh4 Qe2+ 33.Kg1 Qxd3 - + [R vs N].
C.2) 32.g4 Qb5 and the double threat 33... Nxg2 and 33... Qxd3+ wins.
C.3) 32.Qg1 Qe2#.
C.4) 32.Qh1(2) Qe2+ wins.
D) 31.Ke2 Nxd4+ wins.
|Sep-15-16|| ||gofer: I don't know why but this took ages. The pawn push was obvious, because Ne3 is stuck due to Re1#.|
<30 ... f4>
<31 gxf4 ...>
But after that I was looking at all sorts of things rather than exploiting the pin. I eventually saw the pin and everything was obvious from then on...
<31 ... Qb5!>
32 Ke2 Qxd3
33 Kxd3 Ne1+
<32 Qxf3 Qxd3+>
<33 Kg2 Qb1>
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Black regains at least one pawn and remains an exchange up, given white's
weak kingside pawn structure black is probably winning at a canter...
I was surprised white played <32 c4?!> This seems to loose two central pawns...
|Sep-15-16|| ||hashtag: ThursdayMedium|
|Sep-15-16|| ||patzer2: <WorstPlayerEver: If 32. Ke2 then Qd3> Apparently you saw the Knight Fork combination 32. Ke2 Qxd3 33. Kxd3 Ne1+
34. Kd2 Nxg2 (-2.14 @ 21 depth, Deep Fritz 15).|
Also winning is <agb2002>'s line 32. Ke2 Ne1 33. Kxe1 Qxd3 (-3.64 @ 21 depth, Deep Fritz 15).
|Sep-15-16|| ||steinitzfan: 31...Qb5. I'm going to have to remember -- Look for the long moves. Look for the long moves. It's target fixation. There's so many tactical ideas going on there in the center that checking out a promising pin is hard. I'm not sure White couldn't have contained his losses a little better, but I think the game is pretty much decided.|
|Sep-15-16|| ||WorstPlayerEver: <patzer2>
Yes, but 32 Ke2 Ne1 is indeed much stronger.
|Sep-15-16|| ||PawnSac: < WorstPlayerEver: <patzer2>
Yes, but 32 Ke2 Ne1 is indeed much stronger.>|
WPE, if Ke2 Ne1 Kxe1 Qxd3 black is up the exchange, but if Ke2 Qxd3 Kxd3 Ne1+ K-any Nxg2 black is up a whole rook!!
and patzer2, u r right. c4 was pointless. ..Qb5 Qxf3 Qxd3+ Kg2 Qb1 Qe2 Qxa2 with the advance of the Q-side pawns is the sensible line. white is still losing, but it's better than what he played
|Sep-15-16|| ||YouRang: <steinitzfan: 31...Qb5. I'm going to have to remember -- Look for the long moves. Look for the long moves. >|
Yep. Puzzles missed are puzzles to learn from.
I usually scan the board to look for tactical ideas. In this case, noticing that the white rook and king are on the same diagonal should have inspired a search for a piece that can hit a light-square diagonal -- and the only such piece for black is the queen.
Is there a viable way to get the queen on that diagonal? Yes, if I push the f-pawn...
Such thinking often produces results, but today my "scan" was too narrowly focused.
|Sep-15-16|| ||mikealando: "Alekhine was one of the greatest attacking players and could apparently produce combinations at will. What set him apart from most other attacking players was his ability to see the potential for an attack and prepare for it in positions where others saw nothing." Wikipedia Alexander Alekhine|
|Sep-15-16|| ||King Harvest: I saw Qb5 (after some looking) and knew it had to be the key to the puzzle, but in the process I developed delusions of delivering mate via Qb5# (after somehow deflecting the rook) -- It can't be done of course but I subconsciously convinced myself this was a puzzle that had to be solved with a tricky mate (rather than just a position won via <threats> of tricky mate), so I gave up. The blinders we put on ourselves are the hardest to see through.|
|Sep-15-16|| ||Clodhopper: The hallmark of Thursday puzzles - I can pretty much figure out what the first move has to be, but I can't see the second move!|
|Sep-15-16|| ||brainzugzwang: Why does White play 32.c4? Not that there was a good move to be made here, but he's losing the exchange anyway, so why give away the pawn for nothing?|
|Sep-15-16|| ||NBZ: <brainzugzwang> I think we have to assume he simply missed Qxc4 - just like I did when I looked at the line f4 gxf4 Qb5!|
|Sep-15-16|| ||WorstPlayerEver: <PawnSac>
Yes, but after 32. Ke2 Qd3 White has 33. Kf3, not that it makes much difference; Black has an easy win both ways.
|Sep-15-16|| ||OhioChessFan: <steinitzfan: 31...Qb5. I'm going to have to remember -- Look for the long moves. Look for the long moves. >|
That may sound silly to some people, but it's a major problem for some of us. It's just hard for some people to see long moves.
|Sep-15-16|| ||drollere: <Look for the long moves.>|
that reqires you to step back and wash your mind of all the strategic thinking you've done over the past ten moves.
the beauty of alekhine's play is that attention is focused on the N that is under threat and limited by the f pawn that hems in the Q. and there are long moves already invited the board: Re1+, or Qd1+.
why did white play c4? because he only needs one move, Qxf3, to solve his predicament; perhaps he hoped Qxb2 would give the opportunity. more likely because it hurts to lose, and it took him another three moves to get a grip on his frustration.
|Sep-15-16|| ||PolgarFanGirl: I saw 30... f4 31. gf4 Qb5 and I was like ok this pin looks super uncomfortable for white. I was too lazy to calculate (I was like ok imma just play f4 and Qb5 and calculate afterwards (as I often do in my own games.)) I'm glad it's correct and as shown the tactics are all good for Black :)|
|Sep-15-16|| ||JASAHA: Got it, hanging rook, mate on back rank. Etc etc|
|Sep-15-16|| ||JASAHA: Warsaw 1941, wasn't something major happening outside?|
|Sep-15-16|| ||Moszkowski012273: 32.Ke2,Rxe3+ does NOT work <Fish55>.|
|Sep-15-16|| ||JohnDMaster: This was a fun puzzle and I am not familiar with this game,it was easy to see the clearance and the pin by Qb5 but then I had to put together the defense of
32. Ke2 or c4. Remove the knight on e3 and Re1 is mate, so if the c4 defense arises Qxc4 is crushing and if Ke2 is played we attract the king to d3 and fork on e1 winning the exchange!|
|Sep-15-16|| ||Moszkowski012273: "Attracting" the King to e1 is stronger.|
|Sep-16-16|| ||Calli: So at move 16: |
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Bluemich decides that he will spend two moves to put the knight on f1, then move the Q to f3 and finally weaken the King with g3. Alekhine said "Max, thank you very much for those tempi!"
|Oct-06-16|| ||PJs Studio: I wonder how much Lasker influenced Alehkin's style? ;)|
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