| Nov-22-02 | | ughaibu: This might be the most obscure and complex of the Anderssen-Lange games. By move 11 queens are off and Anderssen is a rook behind yet he wins more or less effortlessly. Strangely there is no real analytic comment in the Pickard book, just that after 15. Rf1 white has compensation for the sacrificed material and 20. Nd3+ gets a !? |
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| Nov-22-02 | | drukenknight: cant black play ...Rg8 grab the g pawn and create a passed pawn, somewhere around move 17? |
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| Nov-22-02 | | ughaibu: It's very complicated, for example after 17..Rg8 white could take the rook by Nc7 or try for more with d4 or Nf3 or Bh5 and probably lots of other ideas. |
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| Nov-22-02 | | Cyphelium: Another idea after 17.-Rg8 could be 18.g3 18.-Bg5 19.Rxf2
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18.-Bxg3 19.Bxg3 Rxg3 20. Rxf2
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18.-Nh3 19.gxh4
In other words, black loses a piece. |
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| Nov-22-02 | | drukenknight: well if you guys have eight different moves in mind for whites response imagine how our solid state players are doing? I wonder how many different responses we'd get from the computer? |
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| Nov-23-02 | | ughaibu: Drukenknight: I like Bh5. An example line: 18. ..Na6 19. Re1, Kd8 20. Bf7, b5 21. Nf3, Bg5 22. Ng5, Bd5 23. Bd5 white will win back the sacrificed material then the bishops look much better than the knights and white has "4 connected pawns"! |
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| Nov-23-02 | | drukenknight: so ugh. you going 17...Rg8 18 Bh5? The more I sit down with this one, the more I hate blacks position. Im kinda regretting having taken up the cause here. I need to rethink the overall situation. In terms of material black seems to be up about 3 pts. A Rook vs 2 extra connected pawns for white. In terms of development of these guys, well black is behind. Dangerously far behind. In terms of position. the one overriding factor seems to be that blacks K is in the open. Hmmm, it seems to me that black should think of making exchanges if that will help take pressure of his K. Or perhaps give up material in order to stop this attack. Grabbing the g2 pawn amounts to attempting to gain more material. SO what do others think? |
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| Feb-28-03 | | ughaibu: I'd like to re-awaken this one if anybody has any ideas(?) |
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| Apr-08-03 | | ongyj: Thanks for introducing this game; for the 11st time I'm beginning to see the King's gambit in good light! Anyone thinks the Mark M Hebden vs J Sanz match black has reasonable drawing chances, I mean after the exchanges made on the e2 square. Hebden vs J Sanz, 1982 |
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| Jun-29-06 | | RookFile: This game is really unbelievable. I can't believed this worked out for white. |
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Jun-29-06
 | | keypusher: H Baucher vs Morphy, 1858
Morphy vs Anderssen, 1858
Looks like Qe7+ was Lange's novelty, although I wouldn't be surprised if Morphy-Anderssen and Anderssen-Lange were both book at that point. |
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| Feb-05-07 | | psmith: Does White really have compensation for the exchange if Black just develops with 14... d6 15. Rxh1 Nc6...? |
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| Feb-05-07 | | Timothy Glenn Forney: <psmith> 14...d6 is the best and wins 15.Rxh1 Be6 ect... |
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| Feb-05-07 | | sneaky pete: White should have played 14.Bxc7+ Ke8 15.0-0-0 .. and again after 14.0-0-0? Nf2? 15.Bxc7+ Ke8 16.Re1 .. (ignoring the worthless knight and intending after .. d6 17.Bh5 .. threatening Rxe7+ and preventing .. Be6; after 16... d6 17.Bh5 Nc6 18.Nxe7 Nxe7 19.Bxd6 .. white is certainly not worse). |
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| Feb-06-07 | | psmith: <sneaky pete> Further analysis makes me think you're right after all... But I will need to consider the position further. |
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| Jun-15-07 | | crwynn: 9...Qb4+ is interesting to analyze. I think Black is better after 10.Qd2 Qd2 11.Nd2 Nh1 12.Nf6+ Kd8 13.Nd5 Na6 instead of Lange's 13...Be7 which was a lemon. Black plays ...d6, ...Be6, ...Kd7 with maybe a timely ...h6 thrown in and does not try to save the h1 knight unless White is careless; for instance 13...Na6 14.Bg5+ Ke8 15.0-0-0 d6 16.Re1 Be6 17.d4 Kd7, or 16.Rh1 h6 17.Bf6 Rg8. White will not have enough for the Exchange here whatever he tries, I think. 11.Kd2 is clearly a better try, because the knight is better-developed on c3 and you have to play ether Kd2 or 0-0-0 to activate the rook, so this loses no time. 11.Kxd2 Nh1 12.Nf6+ Kd8 13.Nd5 Na6 still does not promise much for White; a possible line is 14.Bg5+ Ke8 15.N1c3 d6 16.Bh5 Be6 (not falling for traps) 17.Rxh1 h6 18.Re1 Kd7 (still not falling for traps: 18...hg 19.Re6+ Kd7 20.Re1!! and White is much better; this is very interesting to analyze but beside the point) 19.Bf6 Rg8 20.Nf4 c6 21.g4 (to play Ne6 and Bf7 without losing g2 with check, which is fatal) 21...Rg4! and the pressure is gone; Black is a pawn up. I think 10.Bd2 may be an improvement but the complications are immense. 10...Qb2 is probably bad; 11.Nc3 Nh1 12.Rb1 Qa3 13.Nb5 and the corner knight gives me some worries in the line 13...Qa2 14.Nc7+; meanwhile 13...Qc5? 14.Be3 is just murder. 10...Qb6! is very hard to meet, but 11.Nc3 Nh1 12.Be3 gives White some possibilities. Take 12...Qg6 13.h5 Qe6 14.Nd5! Bd6 (14...Na6 is probably better but White still has chances) 15.d4! (one must always try to win the queen in such positions) f5!? 16.Bc4 Kd8 17.Ne5 Be5 18.de Qe5 19.Kf1 Ng3+ 20.Kg1 d6 21.Bd4 and either 21...Qe4 22.Qd2 with Re1 coming, or the pretty 21...Qe8 22.Bf6+ Kd7 23.Qf3 Rg8 24.Be7! will force Black to part with Her Majesty. An exciting line; very likely Black needs to give up his Queen more straightforwardly by 8...Nh1 9.Qe2 |
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| Jul-13-07 | | psmith: <CRWynn> In your first line, after 9...Qb4+ 10.Qd2 Qd2 11.Nd2 Nh1 12.Nf6+ Kd8 13.Nd5 Na6 14.Bg5+ Ke8 15.0-0-0 d6 16.Nf6+ Kd8 17. Nd5+ Ke8 there appears to be a draw. If Black tries for more with 17... Kd7 18. Nf6+ Kc6 White gets the advantage after, for example, 19. Bf3+ Kb5 20. c4+ Ka5 21. Nd5 Bg7 22. Rxh1. (There are other tries for Black but none seem better.) |
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Jul-13-07
 | | Honza Cervenka: Black was too much greedy in this one. In moves 13-15 he should have played d7-d6. |
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| Sep-23-09 | | heuristic: mo' better moves :
14...d6 15.Nxe7 Nf2 16.Bg5 Nxd1 17.Nd5+
15...d5 16.Rxh2 Bxh4 17.g3 Be7 18.Nxe7 |
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Dec-05-21
 | | Jonathan Sarfati: Black's best move in reply to 9.♗e2 is 9...♖g8, taking away the dangerous g5 square from the W♗. Taking the ♖ with 9...♘xh1? gives White a winning attack with 10.♗g5 ♕b4+ 11.c3 ♕xb2 12.♘f6+ ♔d8 13.♘d5+ ♗e7 14.♗xe7+ ♔e8 15.♗a3 ♕xa1 16.♗h5 ♘g3 17.♗xf7+ ♔xf7 18.♕f3+. After 9.. ♖g8, it can be complex, e.g. 10.♗xg3 ♖xg4 11.♗f2 ♖xg2 12.♘c3 d5 13.♘xd5 ♕e5 14.c4 c6 15.♘c3 ♖xf2 16.♔xf2 ♗c5+ 17.♔e1 ♘a6, with good compensation for the exchange: White's drafty ♔ and weak dark squares. Black's move 9...♕b4+ was OK for equality. Anderssen showed great judgement in realizing that he had enough for the exchange even with ♕s off. Black should have played 13...♘a6, and White should then force a draw with 14.♗g5+ ♔e8 15.♘f6+. Since Black didn't defend the ♙c7, White should have played 14.♗xc7+ ♔e8 15.O-O-O d6 16.♖xh1 ♗e6 17.♘xe7 ♔xe7 18.♘e4 d5 19.♗d6+ ♔d8 20.♘c5. White would have more than enough for the exchange: one ♙, ♗-pair, big lead in development, and Black can't connect his ♖s. |
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Kibitzing
sac: 8.Bxf4