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Frank Marshall vs Harry Nelson Pillsbury
Cambridge Springs (1904), Cambridge Springs, PA USA, rd 2, Apr-26
Pirc Defense: Austrian Attack (B09)  ·  1-0



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Apr-03-14  TheFocus: <onedog> should learn the proper use of punctuation.
Apr-03-14  landogriffin: @ <patzer2> thanks a lot for this, although I think you are giving me more credit than I deserve! :)
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  LIFE Master AJ: <off> As your handle implies, you are simply "OFF." (center)
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  LIFE Master AJ: off target
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  LIFE Master AJ: ... and just about everything else as well.
Apr-03-14  PJs Studio: Boy. You guys take this analysis to extremes!
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  offramp: <PJs Studio: Boy. You guys take this analysis to extremes!>

Chess players can analyse anything; you should see my brilliant and scathing criticism of <Zukertort's headstone> at Johannes Zukertort.

Apr-03-14  onedog: OhioChessFan: My eyes are bleeding after reading this run-on sentence. An expert?

Yes, my dear, an expert. Just because a sentence is long, doesn't make it a run-on sentence. Check your grammar. I know you belong to the three-second attention span generation, but does that mean you can't follow a sentence of more than ten words, even with punctuation there to help you? Poor you.

Apr-03-14  onedog: TheFocus: please point out one punctuation error in one of my kibitzes. I would love to learn the error of my ways from you.
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  LIFE Master AJ: <My eyes are bleeding after reading this run-on sentence. An expert?>

I almost lost control of my senses (and some other faculties) ... after reading this. ROFL!!!!!

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  offramp: <onedog: TheFocus: please point out one punctuation error in one of my kibitzes. I would love to learn the error of my ways from you.> I have not seen any errors in the posts of yours that I have read.
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  LIFE Master AJ: I would bet he's a dog catcher ... pretending to be a rocket scientist.
Apr-04-14  schweigzwang: Oh the irony.
Apr-04-14  TheFocus: <onedog> <TheFocus><please point out one punctuation error in one of my kibitzes. I would love to learn the error of my ways from you.> From <Simon Kim Williams vs The World>: <I believe white is far from lost, in fact I think those who think we are winning might be a little optimistic.>

You might want to buy a semi-colon to place after "far from lost,". Or a period instead of a comma. You could also have placed a comma after: "in fact".

This would have looked better: <I believe white is far from lost; in fact, I think those who think we are winning might be a little optimistic.>. Or this: <I believe white is far from lost. In fact, I think those who think we are winning might be a little optimistic.>

In your run-on sentence, you should have used a semi-colon (again). I will leave it to you to figure out where.

Jun-09-14  Castleinthesky: Despite all the mindless blather below, this is a great game in the truest sense of the Romantics.
Dec-13-14  TheBish: Yes, thank you Castleinthesky! This is supposed to be a forum for discussing the above game (or so we would be led to believe, if we believe the rules and guidelines of And this is a classic game, so it's a shame to play over it and expect to see some great analysis or historical insight or whatnot -- and have to wade through so much ego jousting! That and idle chat seem more appropriate in Kibitzer's Cafe. (Why does that sound familiar?)
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  plang: No modern player of the Pirc would play 8..e6? (or 7..Nc6?! either) - still a nice attack by Marshall.
Dec-18-17  The Kings Domain: Sterling attack by Marshall and a neat finish, more so considering who he vanquished.
Dec-18-17  Granny O Doul: Sorry I'm late, but I see nothing wrong in onedog's sentence on this page. I do agree the old example could have been better punctuated. It is quite a bold dare to volunteer one's whole history of kibitzes to grammatical and orthographical scrutiny.

As for this game, Black's ...Nc6 looks too committal. Were it part of a plan to pressure White's center with ...Bg4 or to hunt down White's light bishop with ...Nb6 and perhaps ...Na5, it would have made more sense. Castling instead looks better.

Ok, I'm only reading plang's note now. I agree with him.

Sep-20-18  RookFile: Black may already be lost after 8...e6. 7....Nc6 was inaccurate too. More natural and active is 7....Nxc3 8. bxc3 c5.
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  beatgiant: "Castling into it"! Instead of 17...0-0, how about 17...Bd7 18. Rf2 0-0-0 19. Raf1 <h5>, with counterplay (20. Nxf7 Nxf7 21. Rxf7 Qg5). I'm not even sure White has the advantage.
Sep-23-18  RookFile: 17....h5 is a try. Marshall had let some of his advantage slip.
Jan-09-19  HarryP: This is the only time in his career that Pillsbury played the Pirc, as far as I know. Why on earth did he play it against a tough customer like Marshall? No doubt Marshall was surprised. But after his initial moment of being surprised he proceeded to smoke Pillsbury. As we know, Pillsbury's play was very uneven in this tournament. A week after this devastating loss to Marshall, he played one of his greatest games ever when he was paired against Lasker.
Feb-25-19  zydeco: <HarryP> Pillsbury was actually a pioneer in the Pirc. He also played it at Monte Carlo 1903 - Schlechter vs Pillsbury, 1903 - and won smoothly against Schlechter, who clearly had no idea what to do in response.

I was very surprised to see these two games. Pillsbury is never mentioned in the conversation about hypermodern chess, but clearly he was thinking along those lines - looking for ways to hold back his pieces and counterattack at his convenience.

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  fredthebear: Harry Pillsbury won the US chess championship in 1897, and Frank Marshall won it in 1909.
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