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May-08-04
 | | tpstar: The crucial importance of move order! Black got in trouble after 11 ... b5?! due to 12. Nxc6 Qxc6 13. Nd5 threatening 14. Nxe7+. 13 ... Nxd5? 14. Bxd5 wins the Ra8, just like 13 ... Re8? 14. Nxf6+ & 15. Bd5, or else 13 ... Kh8? 14. Nxf6 as in the game, so best was 13 ... e6 14. Nxf6+ Bxf6 15. Qxd6 and White wins a Pawn. Black could have avoided this with 11 ... e6 first, or else 11 ... Ne5 intending 12 ... Nc4. In the game, 15. Bh6 alertly traded Bishops before retreating with 17. Ng4. tpstar0-Mathone (InstantChess 5/8/04): 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cd 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Be3 Bg7 7. f3 0-0 8. Qd2 Nc6 9. Bc4 a6 10. 0-0-0 b5?? 11. Nxc6 (move order!) Qc7 12. Bd5 Nxd5 (12 ... e6 13. Ne7+ Qxe7 14. Bxa8 Bd7 15. Qxd6) 13. exd5 e6 14. Bd4 ed 15. Nxd5! Qd7 16. Bxg7 Kxg7 17. Qd4+ and White won (1-0). |
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| May-08-04 | | SicilianDragon: The entire a6/b5 line is suspect because it is too slow to really be effective and white usually retreats the bishop to b3 anyway. |
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| Jun-15-04 | | King99: i love the way Bobby strings them up when black made the mistake of going out of the opening with a6 and Qc7 |
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| Jul-12-04 | | fischer2003: hey I'm the new guy. |
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| Jul-13-04 | | Lawrence: Hi, <fischer2003>, a warm welcome to kibitzer's heaven. |
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| Jul-30-04 | | ArturoRivera: Why didnt Stephans captured the Knight back on move 13, why he sacrificed a knight, or in the other view, against wich treath he played 14.-...e6? |
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Jul-30-04
 | | Chessical: <ArturoRivera> If Stephans captured the Knight on move 13, Fischer would have played <15.Bd5> winning the Ra8. 11..b5? lost at least the exchange. |
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| Aug-04-04 | | ArturoRivera: Oh, i see, thanks for that! |
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| Mar-05-05 | | ArturoRivera: whats wrong witth 13.-...Qb7? |
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| Mar-05-05 | | sneaky pete: <ArturoRivera> Its the same thing, after 13... Qb7 14.Nxf6+ Bxf6 15.Bd5 .. black loses the exchange. |
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| Mar-06-05 | | ArturoRivera: yeah, but its better i think to loose the exchange than to loose a whole piece |
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| May-19-05 | | pastpawn: <tpstar>: RIght, except that after 13 ... e6, White can win the queen by 14 ♘e7+ instead of a pawn by 14 ♘xf6+ ♗xf6 15 ♕xd6 . |
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May-19-05
 | | An Englishman: Good Evening: It's amazing how many Knight forks are available after Fischer's 13th. |
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| May-19-05 | | dasp3edd3m0n: It's amazing how that knight can fork the queen and rook in so many positions. |
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| May-19-05 | | Philidor: Fischer was an excellent shot alright, but here his prey was merely a sitting duck. |
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| May-19-05 | | Saph: I don't understand 13...e6. What's the danger in capturing white's knight on f6? |
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May-19-05
 | | Richard Taylor: The position was so easily winning after Nd5 - I didnt bother working out things like Kh8 black was dead!! But it was a good game - I saw the Nd5 idea... I won against a Dragon recently - I am wary of the Dragon but my opponent played Rfc8 and Qa5 I moved my king to b1 and then played Bh7 so that if he played Bh8 then Nd5 and I am atacking his Q and theatening mate -instead he played his knight around to c4 - I sawpped then and played Nd5 and this forces Qd8 or if QxQ Ne7+ Kf8 BxB+ wins a pawn ... an old trap. (although I dont know the specific lines in the Dragon - its an old idea in many openings)subsequently his pawns were doubled on the f file and his d pawn was isolated I won with sacrificial attack!! But Black doesnt need to lose so easily and with good play the Dragon is dangerous for White or can be ..Fischer is or was a Super GM so his being able to _slay_ dragons is no reason not to _play_ Dragon(s) |
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May-19-05
| | Richard Taylor: I must add a comment of immense importance - in 1957 I was about 9 and Fischer was 13 or so...I had never heard of Chess.(until I read "Alice Through the Looking Glass" by Lewis Carrol) but that was after the above game took place... |
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May-19-05
| | tpstar: <pastpawn> Ha! That was the whole point, wasn't it?! Looking again, I don't see how Black saves the exchange, since 13 ... Qd7 14. Nb6 or 13 ... Qe8 14. Nc7 or 13 ... Qb7 14. Nxf6+ & 15. Bd5. Thanks for the correction. =) |
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| May-19-05 | | paulchess: I shudder to question Bobby's decisions but why did he choose 19.Qxd6 when he had 19.Qh6+ followed by Bxe6 threatening the rook and giving him 2 pieces to support the Queen attack ? |
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| May-19-05 | | JSYantiss: With either move, paulchess, Fischer wins a pawn(19. Qxd6 or 20. Bxe6 in your line)...with 19. Qxd6, Fischer wants to exchange queens and get into a favorable endgame. |
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| May-19-05 | | zb2cr: 20 ... Rf7 looks at first like a real blunder, but 20 ... Kg8; 21 Nh6+ also leaves Black down a Rook. 20 ... Kh8; 21 Nf6 threatening mate forces 21 ... Rxf6; 22 Qxf6+, Kh7; 23 Qf7+ with Rd7 soon to follow and a quick mate. |
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| May-19-05 | | kevin86: When white played Nd5-it became so clear-to avoid a knight fork black must either submit to a skewer at d5,whether he takes the knight or not. Too bad I missed it :( |
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| May-19-05 | | Jim Bartle: Doesn't black seem to keep playing about a dozen moves too long? First down a piece, then a rook...kept on. Maybe he figured a 14-year-old might blunder in return. About this time didn't Reshevsky keep playing another 40 moves against Fischer after losing his queen for two pieces in the opening? |
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| May-19-05 | | ThomYorke: Nowdays the top players usually don´t play against oponents that blunder so much like this. Even the "unkown" players are good. No doubt that Fischer was a good player, but he was lucky to play against these weak guys. |
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