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Robert James Fischer vs Raymond Allen Weinstein
US Championship (1958/59), New York, NY USA, rd 4, Dec-??
Sicilian Defense: Fischer-Sozin Attack. Leonhardt Variation (B88)  ·  1-0

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May-24-04  tomh72000: Here is the link: Veniamin Sozin
Aug-17-04  aw1988: Fischer vs Larry Evans, 1958
Jan-25-05  Dobyr Wecher: Clearly 12... b5 is mistake because it gives White the 2 Bishops in an open game. Frankly I was thinking 13.Rae1 and on 13...b4 14.Nd5 but probably 13.Nxb5 is more correct.
May-14-08  ste10987: Never heard of Fischer-Sozin attack
May-14-08  Riverbeast: Interestingly enough, Raymond Weinstein went to the same high school as Fischer (Erasmus Hall High School in Brooklyn) and they were there at the same time...Raymond was two grades ahead.

As far as I know they didn't have a chess team, but if they did, they would have had a great one!

Walter Browne also went to Erasmus Hall...That school sprouted a lot of good chess players.

May-14-08  Tessie Tura: <As far as I know they didn't have a chess team, but if they did, they would have had a great one!>

I think that there was a chess team and Weinstein was captain at one point. I donít remember if Fischer was interested or involved even before he dropped out. Weinstein and Fischer also used to meet and play regularly at Jack Collinsí place, where Weinstein got thumped by Bobby with regularity. He never did beat him in competition, I believe.

May-14-08  Riverbeast: You're right, according to the database Weinstein could only manage one draw in four games against Bobby. But he was considered one of the more talented junior players, after Fischer, and finished third in the US Championship one year.

What happened to Weinstein was actually very sad. You probably know the story, and I'm not sure if I care to repeat it.

May-15-08  Tessie Tura: <But he was considered one of the more talented junior players, after Fischer, and finished third in the US Championship one year.>

And he beat four grandmasters and it was only his second time at the championship. Not bad for a nineteen year old.

<What happened to Weinstein was actually very sad. You probably know the story, and I'm not sure if I care to repeat it.>

A dreadful story, yes.

Dec-04-08
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  Gilmoy: Weinstein remains incarcerated for a 1964 murder. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymon...
Dec-04-08  Travis Bickle: The name Weinstein is a weird coincidence, for Garry Kasparov's birth name was Gary Weinstein! Weinstein must be a common name, but would'nt it amazing if Raymond Allen Weinstein and Garry kasparov were related!
May-15-09  Petrosianic: <Never heard of Fischer-Sozin attack>

It's known in the books as just the Sozin Variation, if that helps.

<Weinstein remains incarcerated for a 1964 murder.>

Incarcerated isn't quite the right word. Institutionalized would be more accurate.

<The name Weinstein is a weird coincidence, for Garry Kasparov's birth name was Gary Weinstein!>

What's so weird about the fact that there might be two chess players in the world named Weinstein? That's decidedly un-weird. What is a bit odd though, is that IM Ray Weinstein is the cousin of another titled American player, but it's NOT IM Norman Weinstein. (It's Arthur Bisguier).

May-15-09  TheChessGuy: The reason behind the double-barreled name is a recognition of Fischer's heavy and deadly use of it. In some quarters, the Petrosian Variation of the Queen's Indian is called the Kasparov-Petrosian Variation, due to Kasparov's contribution to its theory and his many excellent wins in it.
Jul-14-09
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  Bishoprick: Erasmus Hall High School had a way of attracting bright kids. It was the last high school in New York to offer classical Greek.
Feb-06-11  lost in space: <<Dobyr Wecher:> Clearly 12... b5 is mistake because it gives White the 2 Bishops in an open game. Frankly I was thinking 13.Rae1 and on 13...b4 14.Nd5 but probably 13.Nxb5 is more correct.>

Theory is one side, pratcie the other. Black is doing fine here, over all. http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...

Aug-10-11  kasparvez: Fischer's overall record with this attack is not too impressive. 16 wins with 8 losses and 5 draws doesn't speak volumes. Seems it has got the hype mostly because of the quality of some of the games Fischer won.
Aug-10-11
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  perfidious: <Bishoprick: Erasmus Hall High School had a way of attracting bright kids....>

Barbra Streisand attended as well-a year ahead of Fischer-does she qualify?

<kasparvez: ...Seems it has got the hype mostly because of the quality of some of the games Fischer won.>

Some opening lines have had names bestowed upon them with far less reason, so what's your point?

Aug-10-11
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  HeMateMe: Bob and Babs, two kids who made it on talent. Neil Diamond was also at Erasmus.
Aug-10-11  unferth: <kasparvez: Fischer's overall record with this attack is not too impressive. 16 wins with 8 losses and 5 draws doesn't speak volumes. Seems it has got the hype mostly because of the quality of some of the games Fischer won.>

CG has his record as +11 -2 = 2, not counting simuls, with the losses coming against Geller and Larsen (also a win vs. Geller and two vs. Larsen). Do you have another source?

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...

Aug-26-11  kasparvez: perfidious, no issues about the name. I was slightly surprised about Fischer's results with it in relation to its fearsome reputation, that's all. unferth, i was refering to this source, but yes, this includes the simuls. http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...
Aug-28-12  Garech: Great endgame from Fischer. Another of his brilliant light bishop vs knight grinds; a pleasure to play through.

Cheers,

-Garech

Aug-29-12
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  perfidious: Another Fischer ending displaying superb judgment complemented by precise calculation.

In his mature days, one often saw Fischer's opponents allow middlegame attacks instead of acquiescing to this kind of simple but clear disadvantage, facing bishop vs knight in an open position. The ending is hardly a forced win for White, but unpleasant to defend.

Jul-16-17  LA MAN: Rook to a7 on move 47 must win for white. Even if blk. Queens the pawn he can move the king to board center and before this bishop to a6 and all this var. Wins for white better than other run around he goes through that is unnecessary.
Jul-17-17  RookFile: I thought Weinstein for the most part played a really good game here. He went astray somewhere in the endgame but the middlegame was very interesting.
Sep-04-18  jabinjikanza: Well played young fischer .Allen butchered.
Sep-07-20  RookFile: <Dobyr Wecher: Clearly 12... b5 is mistake because it gives White the 2 Bishops in an open game. >

It's not that easy. Black trades his wing pawn to get rid of white's center pawn. It's not a bad thing to have a central pawn majority.

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