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Bobby Fischer vs Robert Byrne
"Fischer fiddles while Byrne roams" (game of the day Dec-29-2021)
United States Championship (1965), New York, NY USA, rd 8, Dec-23
French Defense: Tarrasch Variation. Guimard Defense (C03)  ·  0-1

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Jul-10-09  technical draw: In this tournament Fischer lost to Byrne and Reshevsky yet won the tournament by a full point. The reason? Fischer's remaining nine games ended 8 1/2 to 1/2. Anyone know what round this game was played? Maybe Fischer had already won the tournament when this game was played.
Sep-21-09
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  perfidious: <technical draw> Fischer's score in this event was 6.5/7 entering this round, and his loss to Reshevsky came in the next game.
Jul-26-10  goodevans: All players play the odd stinker, but this must rate as one of Fischer's worst. Aside from the dreadful 12 Nxc6, did he really give up all three Q-side pawns in the hope that Byrne would fall for 30 ... Re1? I can't see any other reason for 28 Rc1.

There must be something horribly wrong with <28 Nd4> otherwise I'm sure even an off-colour Fischer would have played it. Can't see what it is, though.

Jul-26-10  Petrosianic: <There must be something horribly wrong with <28 Nd4> otherwise I'm sure even an off-colour Fischer would have played it. Can't see what it is, though.>

28...Qxb1! looks pretty convincing. White's Knight needs to keep guarding the e1 square.

Jul-26-10  Petrosianic: <Marmot PFL> <Looks like one of Fischer's 60 Forgettable Games. I would expect a 1600 player to see 12...Bd6 (threatening MATE)>

The odd thing is that Fischer apparently HAD seen Bd6 a move earlier (else, why not play 11. Nxc6?, which seems to win a piece if you don't see Bd6). He saw it then, but forgot it a move later, when it was even stronger for Black.

Jul-26-10  Call me Ishmael: <The odd thing is that Fischer apparently HAD seen Bd6 a move earlier>

How do you know what Fischer saw? Who the hell do you think you are always making these grand pronouncements as if you're all knowing. 99% of the garbage you spew on this site is false. Take your childish act someplace else.

Jul-27-10  Petrosianic: <How do you know what Fischer saw?>

If you'd read the post you're replying to, you'd have seen the answer to that question: If he hadn't seen Bd6, then Nxc6 appears to win a piece.

Look, I'm sorry if I've embarrassed you, but you're not going to get your own back by throwing these hysterical fits over every comment, and hoping to get lucky and make a valid point. It's like the bit with the monkeys and the typewriters. They won't really produce a Shakespeare play no matter how long you leave them hammering away.

Oct-03-10  notyetagm: http://chessbooks.nl/elburg151.html

<British Chess Magazine No.8
Volume 130
August 2010
Price: £4,05

This eye catching issue starts with the British Championship, where GM Michael Adams dominated the event with five straight wins ,Robert Eames had the courage to open with the King’s Gambit but the opening was in no time a fiasco, included in this issue is a interview with Michael Adams. Grandmaster Matthew Sadler digs in the Albin Counter Gambit ,with the day I played the Albin part 1.Ponomariov wins the Sparkassen tournament in Dortmund,in games department I found a fine game from Luke McShane with the King’s Indian Defence, against Alexander Shabalov: 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.f4 0-0 6.Nf3 Na6 7.Bd3 e5 8.fxe5 dxe5 9.d5 Ne8 10.0-0 c5 and 0-1 on move 51.

<<<Mihail Marin analysis in his contribution, understanding development part one the game Robert Fischer – Robert Byrne,USA Championship 1965.>>>

Other readable columns are:News in Brief,Quotes and Queries,Endgame studies,Fortcoming events,Book reviews etc.

Conclusion: A well made issue!>

Mar-11-11  JohnBoy: <goodevans: ... did he really give up all three Q-side pawns in the hope that Byrne would fall for 30 ... Re1? I can't see any other reason for 28 Rc1.> After black's 27...Qc2 Byrne threatens ...Rxf2. White is really hog-tied. It looks to me as if 28.Rc1 is a way to get the rook into the game and maybe get some play.
Dec-16-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: < Call me Ishmael: <The odd thing is that Fischer apparently HAD seen Bd6 a move earlier> How do you know what Fischer saw?>

To a degree (very much dependent on circumstances), one can infer what Fischer, or another strong player, might have seen. <Petrosianic> is more than capable in that respect.

Jan-25-13  Eduardo Bermudez: How many losses had Fischer against the French defense?
Jan-26-13  Shams: <Eduardo Bermudez><How many losses had Fischer against the French defense?>

The home page advanced search functions work quite well!

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...

Looks like 6 classical losses, 1 blitz and 10 simul. Just look how many of them were Winawers. Instead of that nonsense about the human touch, Fischer's last words should have been, "Fine-- the Winawer is sound. There, I said it."

Jan-26-13
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  Phony Benoni: Our database gives 17, but ten of those were from simuls and one from a blitz tournament:

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...

In all, I make his record against the French to be +33 -17 =15, or 62%. Discarding simul and blitz games, it comes to +20 -6 =6, or 72%. His overall record with White was 74%, so the French was no panacea even if he did lose some horrible games against it.

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...

It may seem from these numbers that the French was a good weapon against him in simuls, but remember that games preserved from those events are mainly losses by the simul giver. Fischer's record against any opening would improve with the simul games omitted.

Jan-26-13  RookFile: I think that some praise of Byrne is in order for his play in this game. 3...Nc6 was a shrewd choice, and he almost certainly had the whole ...Bd6 business worked out when he played 8..... Nf6! A more typical French arrangement would have been 8..... Bd6 with the idea of 8....Nge7. If Byrne didn't have the little trick he played, it's not hard to see him getting into trouble - it certainly appeared on move 8 that he would have problems castling after 8..... Nf6. Finally, it's one thing to win the exchange against Fischer, but another to win the game - here Byrne showed excellent technique.
Apr-14-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  kingscrusher: RIP Robert Byrne

I have video annotated this game here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaMC...

Apr-14-13  kdogphs: What a wonderful game! An American legend for sure, RIP
Jun-06-14  Conrad93: I have never faced 3...Nc6!? in the French before.

Looks dubious.

Jun-06-14  TheFocus: I think this was the only time Fischer played the Tarrasch Variation.
Jun-06-14  TheFocus: In tournament play, that is. he may have used it in simuls.
Jun-06-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: <TheFocus> It was indeed Fischer's only serious venture with 3.Nd2.
Jun-06-14  TheFocus: That happens though. I once had a great attacking miniature with a new variation OTB.

in postal, I was mercilessly beaten when I tried it again and never played that variation again.

Jun-06-14  Conrad93: <That happens though. I once had a great attacking miniature with a new variation OTB. in postal, I was mercilessly beaten when I tried it again and never played that variation again.?>

What variation was that?

Jun-07-14  TheFocus: Torre Attack: Curry Variation
Jun-07-14  Wyatt Gwyon: I play the Guimard a lot with black. Really fun variation with great practical chances over the board. A lot of players with white are really caught off guard by it.
Jun-07-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  AylerKupp: <Wyatt Gwyon> And Black seems to get decent results with it, possibly because of the White players' unfamiliarity with it. Here is a link to links with some statistics: Tabanus chessforum.
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