| Nov-16-04 | | WMD: 'Having been the person most responsible for getting FIDE to insist on a thirty-move draw ruling, Bobby promptly proceeded to become the first major player to break it. In spite of the fact that it had been expressly announced at the start of the Olympiad that the new rules would be in effect, Fischer quickly exchanged Queens with Grandmaster Uhlmann, and the game was drawn in nineteen moves. The referee, Soviet Grandmaster Salo Flohr, wasn't even notified. When he found out, Flohr warned Fischer not to let it happen again. "Those rules," Bobby graciously told him "are for the Communist cheaters, not for me."' (Bobby Fischer, Profile of a Prodigy) |
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| Oct-05-07 | | euripides: What did the 30-move rule say about a repetition ? |
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| Oct-05-07 | | Petrosianic: Probably nothing. The Sofia Rule still allows repetition draws. This game doesn't contain a 3-move repetition, only 2, but it easily could have had a 3rd if they'd played another move or two. That may be why Flohr let it slide rather than double-forfeiting both players, which is what a hanging judge like Hans Kmoch probably would have done. |
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| Apr-19-08 | | Aspirador: http://www.waldbronn.de/schachclub/... claims that this game ended with the following dialogue: Fischer: draw!
Uhlmann: we haven't had threefold repetition yet, only twice. Fischer: Either you accept draw, as I say, or we will play on and I will beat you. Uhlmann: OK, draw. |
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| Apr-20-08 | | hkannan2000: <Aspirador> There are other conversations such as between Najdorf & Boleslavsky which appear to be hilarious. I don't know the language. Is it possible to translate and share?
Thanks. |
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| Apr-20-08 | | Aspirador: <hkannan> It's German. You can use Google translation. The Najdorf Boleslavsky conversation is the famous one (sometimes attributed to other people): N: draw?
B: no!
N: you play for a win?
B: no!
N: so let's say draw?
B: no!
N: you want no draw, no win.
Are you playing for a loss?
B: no!
N: so what do you want?
B: I want to play!
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| May-15-09 | | whiteshark: <Fischer: Either you accept draw, as I say, or we will play on and I will beat you.> As happened two year before at the Leipzig Olympiad in a similar position. --> Uhlmann vs Fischer, 1960 |
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| Feb-22-23 | | jerseybob: <WMD: ... "Those rules," Bobby graciously told him "are for the Communist cheaters, not for me."> Bobby never missed a chance to jab the Soviet bureaucracy, and they often returned the favor. But that aside, FIDE's 30-move rule shows that a "solution" can often be worse than the original problem. (American pro sports is notorious for "improvements" that often make games unwatchable.) If anyone in this game is to blame for the short draw, it's Uhlmann for steering for a queen swap. But this being a team event, a draw is perfectly OK! The 30-move rule grew out of Bobby's (legitimate) claim about pre-arranged draws at Curacao, which was supposedly an individual event, turned into a tag-team match by Soviet collusion. |
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