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|Jun-16-06|| ||kevin86: A great lesson cg! Happy ending are not in every tale-sometimes|
♗x♙+ ♔x♗ ♘-♘5+ wins, horray! is replaced by:
♗x♙+ ♔x♗ ♘-♘5+:( oh darn!!!
|Jun-16-06|| ||greensfield: figured out whites fist two moves straight away
13.Bxh7+ Kxh7 14.Ng5+
then I looked at black moving king to g6 rather than g8
then went down this line
15.h4 Rh8 16.h5+ Kh6 17.Nxf7+ Kh7 18.h6 Kg8 19.Nxh8 Kxh8 20.hxg7+ Kxg7
21.Qg4+ Ng6 21.Bh6+ Kf7 22.Qf3+ Ke8
getting nowhere. Missed blacks threat to boot. So all in all not very good.
|Jun-16-06|| ||goldenbear: I liked Qe2 for the record. I didn't believe that it worked. Now I think that maybe Rc1 is best.|
|Jun-16-06|| ||dakgootje: considered a lot of variations and finally thought 13. Bxh7 Kxh7 14. Ng5 Kg8 15. Qh5 Rc8 16. Qxf7 Kh8 17. Nxe6 (threatens mate at g8) and white would win because of both the mate threat and the ability to win blacks queen.|
Unfortunately i oversaw blacks Qxc2
|Jun-16-06|| ||Octavia: the point of "white to move" is that you find a good move, not a blunder.|
|Jun-16-06|| ||YouRang: <dakgootje><Unfortunately i oversaw blacks Qxc2>|
I think you meant that you "overlooked" blacks Qxc2, meaning that you didn't see it.
Normally, if one says he "oversaw" something, it means that he supervised, or at least witnessed it.
Are there any other languages as quirky as English? :-)
|Jun-16-06|| ||YouRang: <Demostenes> Ouch! This is a good lesson on why it's a good idea to look closely at the game (and sometimes the earlier commentary) before posting. :-)|
<The first move is quite obvious: 13.Bxh7+!? Kxh7
14...Kg8? is an obvious mistake:
15.Qh5 Rc8 (to protect the queen)
16.Qxf7+ Kh8 >
Please note that Black played 14...Kg8! and won!
|Jun-16-06|| ||Demostenes: <YouRang> Thanks for your commentary on my being in such hurry. :-) Actually I should have cancelled my first remark (C) made right after taking a quick glimpse at the position. I forgot to delete it from the Notepad after finishing commentaries A and B. The quickest, the most primitive analysis seemed to be so obvious to me! :-) And yet another thing: I've posted my analysis before reading other commentaries.
Besides: I'm not Kasparov; I have right to make such stupid mistakes. :-)|
|Jun-16-06|| ||euripides: <Demos> after 14...Kg6 a typical continuation is 15 Qg4 threatening Nxe6+ attacking c7 and g7. Then if 15...f5 I think 16 Qh3 wins. |
But many of us are feeling rather foolish about this position whether we posted or not :-). At least next time I get a chance of a 'Greek gift' I'll glance at c2.
|Jun-16-06|| ||Demostenes: <euripides> I haven't considered any other move but 15.h4 having in mind the Polugaevsky-Tal game (1969), where the sequence of moves: Bxh7 Kh7-Ng5 Kg6-h4! led to a sparkling win by white. I thought it should be considered to be the standard continuation in such positions. I was wrong...|
|Jun-16-06|| ||euripides: <Demos> yes both h4 and Qg4 are quite common against Kg6. If you get a chance to see Vukovic's 'Art of attack in chess' (old, but not superseded) he has an excellent chapter on this kind of sacrifice. After 14...Kg6 15 Qg4 f5 16 Qh3 f4 17 Qh7+ Kxg5 18 h4+ Kg4 19 f3+ Kg3 20 Qxg7+ I think Black is dead.|
|Jun-16-06|| ||YouRang: <Demostenes> Not to worry... As <eurpides> says, today's puzzle made several of us look bad. And I, for one, have made my share of kibitzing bloopers. :-p|
|Jun-16-06|| ||Demostenes: <YouRang> Thanks. It's one of very few places in the internet (as well as is the non-virtual reality) where you can find mutual friendliness. :-)|
|Jun-16-06|| ||dakgootje: <YouRang> You've got your reason why im so terrible in (or at? -.-) english.|
But heey, on the contrary to normal english classes im gonna remember the oversaw-overlooked differance
|Jun-16-06|| ||YouRang: <dakgootje> You're way ahead of me, my friend. I only know one language. :-(|
I took some Spanish in High School, but shortly forgot the 14 or 15 words I learned. :-|
Once I bought a set of cassette tapes that were supposed to teach me French - *they* failed. ;-)
My parents taught me a few Danish words when I was a kid. But, being a kid, all I remembered was how to say stuff like "you stink". It's usefulness has worn off a bit.
|Jun-16-06|| ||dakgootje: Would like to learn some more languages, maybe pick up french and german again one say, as im really bad in them, cant learn languages you see. So for the time being im living with the happy ideas that one day im gonna learn more languages (eg french, german [both better then now] and maybe italian and spanish or something), but now i know i only say that and i think for years that the next day, the next week, the next month, the next year, im gonna start doing all those things again, when ive got the time. Until im old and i know im still busy and ever will be. But thats life.|
|Jun-16-06|| ||OBIT: Hmm, this looks oddly familiar. Oh, wait, now I remember - this is MY trap. See my comment on page 3 of the puzzle game for February 27: |
V Yemelin vs E Goric, 2001
|Jun-16-06|| ||Chess Prodigy: Is it just me...of is this kind of a help mate?|
|Jun-16-06|| ||Randomiser: Why didn't White play 16 Q-h7 Mate???|
|Jun-16-06|| ||OBIT: Yes, <Randomiser>, 16. Qh7 is mate, provided White first yells something like, "Wow, Pamela Anderson just walked in the room!" and then very quickly slides the Black queen to b2.|
|Jun-16-06|| ||LPeristy: This was a real deceiving puzzle. I looked at the puzzle for about a second and went, "Oh, its the old bishop sac on h7", and then immediately stopped analysing, only to find that the chess gods cruelly punished me for my arogance.|
|Jun-21-06|| ||patzer2: White thinks he has a standard winning demolition combination with 13. Bxh7+??, but misses Black's winning defense 15. Qxc2! . Slowing the attack down with 15. c3 Bd3 or 15. Rc1 Ng6 16. Qh5 Re8 is no help for White, as he still loses.|
|Aug-23-11|| ||Oceanlake: Help from the hinterland.|
|Aug-23-11|| ||profK: Usually against greek gifts any protection of h7 usually means you are dead...unless you can disrupt the defence first...|
|Mar-25-15|| ||whiteshark: <There's no such thing as a free lunch.> as Friedman would say.|
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