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Jul-18-12
 | | FSR: <perfidious: ... <FSR> Looking at the aforementioned crosstable, guess that multiplies my 'Karpov number' of 2, as I played three of Karpov's six opponents from that event while active.> I actually had a hard time thinking of anyone I'd played who played Karpov. Like you, I lost a tournament game to Alexander Ivanov, who played Kasparov but apparently not Karpov. All I can come up with is Bisguier, who played Karpov twice, and to whom I lost two simul games when I was a college freshman. Bisguier might also be my only route to a Fischer 2. He's probably also one of two routes I have to a Morphy 4 - he played Tartakower, who played James Mortimer, who is said to have played many games with Morphy - though none were recorded. (I also drew an Internet 15-minute game with Barden, who played Mieses, who played Bird, who played Morphy.) |
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Jul-18-12
 | | perfidious: <FSR> Besides the three players from this event (Burnett, McCarthy and Kwartler) there were Igor Ivanov, Susan Polgar, Benko, Browne and Bisguier (several times) for Karpov. Lombardy, Rossolimo (in a simul at his studio, several weeks before his death) Art Feuerstein and Ben Greenwald are also routes to Fischer 2, plus Tal in games at 5-2. On Morphy 4, only Bisguier and Benko come to mind. It's something else to have a Mieses 2, and hard for me to even imagine. There's a witty story he was supposed to have told in his dotage, but I don't recall it. Maybe someone like <jess> will pass by and enlighten us. |
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Jul-19-12
 | | FSR: <perfidious> Are you referring to A Van Foreest vs Mieses, 1949, when Mieses (84) beat an 86-year-old and exulted, "Youth has triumphed!" ? |
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Jul-19-12
 | | perfidious: <FSR> That one I'd forgotten, humorous though it is. It was some other anecdote. Good thing Mieses beat the old bugger there-youth must be served, you know! |
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Jul-19-12
 | | FSR: <perfidious: ... It's something else to have a Mieses 2, and hard for me to even imagine.> You think <that's> something? Frederick Karl Esling lived from 1860 to 1955. As a young whippersnapper of 18, he played and beat Adolf Anderssen, who died the following year (and played like it). F K Esling vs Anderssen, 1878 Someone who played a casual game against Esling in, say, the early 50's could have had an Anderssen number of 2. Unfortunately, I haven't seen any games of Esling's played after 1922. Then there's T.H. George, of whom I wrote:
< T.H. George of Essex, England may have been the last surviving player with a Morphy number of 2. The British Chess Magazine wrote in his 1971 obituary, "Essex chess players suffered a severe loss with the death of T.H. George on April 19th at the age of 85. He was the doyen of Essex chessplayers . . . . He was rather proud of having played a man who had played Morphy. This happened in his young days when he beat Jas. Mortimer in a club match; Mortimer had played friendly games with Morphy in Paris in the early sixties of the last century." British Chess Magazine, July 1971, p. 249. The claim that Mortimer played Morphy is corroborated by Chess Monthly, which had an article about Mortimer (1833-1911) in 1892. "In 1853, he was appointed attaché of the United States Legation in Paris, where he had an opportunity of renewing his acquaintance with Paul Morphy. The two countrymen thus became intimate friends. Both being passionately fond of chess, many hundreds of games were played by the master and pupil . . . ." Chess Monthly, Sept. 1892, p. 66.>
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Jul-19-12
 | | Phony Benoni: There are going to be an abundance of Mieses-2 players for some time to come, thanks to Denker vs Mieses, 1945 |
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Jul-19-12
 | | perfidious: <Phony Benoni> Quite true-I'd forgotten that Denker played in the Premier-but I'm not one of them. |
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Jul-19-12 | | Shams: <All> If you beat player <X> over the board, is that a "player <x> number" of one or zero? |
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Jul-19-12
 | | Phony Benoni: <Shams> I believe the idea is that you only have to play the opponent, not win. So your opponents are your "1s", their opponents are your "2s", and so on. Winning connections can be a bit tougher. I've just found a useful one through a win over Erich Watkinson Marchand, who beat Herman H Hahlbohm, who beat Jackson Whipps Showalter, who beat both Lasker and Steinitz among others. |
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Jul-19-12
 | | perfidious: What <Phony Benoni> says is true, else my routes to Botvinnik, Karpov, Fischer and Kasparov-2 would be considerably reduced, if there would be any. If one counts rapid games with Tal, that's undisputed world champions going back to Euwe who would be 2s, except Alekhine. |
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Jul-19-12
 | | Phony Benoni: Thanks to an encounter with Larry Christiansen (I hesitate to call it a game), I've got 2's for all the world champions from Smyslov to Anand with the exception of Fischer and Kramnik, for whom I have other paths. I also have a definite 2-path to Euwe. I may have gotten Alekhine and Capablanca through Edward Schuyler Jackson, but have no definite proof of that. For Botvinnik, I may have to resort to a simul game against Bisguier. For Steinitz and Lasker I may not be able to do better than 3, going through E.S. Jackson and Janowski. |
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Jul-19-12
 | | perfidious: And two more Karpov-2s emerge from the miasma......Reynaldo Vera and
Roman Dzindzichashvili. There can't be many more in my chequered past. |
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Jul-20-12
 | | FSR: <Phony Benoni: ... For Steinitz and Lasker I may not be able to do better than 3, going through E.S. Jackson and Janowski.> I talked to Melvin Chernev (one of the very few living Lasker 1s) on the phone. He mentioned that he played chess on the Internet. I offered to play him a game, but he politely declined. |
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Jul-20-12 | | RookFile: Black didn't execute it right, but I believe he had the right strategy for playing Karpov. Let's suppose one of us was facing Karpov. What would we do? Play some stodgy defense like the QGD against Karpov? Of course not. So, what do you do? You play an unusual, tactical opening, and take a shot. Maybe you can catch him by surprise - it's your best chance. And then again, maybe Karpov wins anyway. |
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Jul-20-12 | | Shams: <And then again, maybe Karpov wins anyway> Because he was able to navigate our "unusual, tactical opening"? Yes, this seems quite likely. =) |
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Jul-20-12
 | | perfidious: Some may remember this game (Karpov vs Bareev, 1992), where Black essayed an unclear gambit line. On the whole, if the aim is to play for a win against a strong player, mixing it up when facing someone whose play is chiefly positional is likely a good idea. When facing a top-class player though, it's a tall order any way one slices it. In my experience of facing GMs, one doesn't get many chances. |
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Jul-20-12
 | | FSR: <perfidious> Weird openings often worked pretty well against Karpov. Recall Larsen's win with the Scandinavian at Montreal 1979, Miles' win with 1...a6 at Skara, Parma's draw with the Schliemann at Ljubljana/Portoroz 1975, and Bellon's draw with 1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Nf3 e4!? 4.Ng5 b5! If one played stuff like that against Fischer, in tournament, blitz, or whatever, he would destroy you. See Fischer-Matulovic, Herceg Novi blitz (Schliemann), Fischer-Robatsch and Fischer-Addison (Scandinavian), etc. |
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Jul-20-12
 | | perfidious: <FSR> Here's another Larsen 'special':
Karpov vs Larsen, 1980. |
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Sep-03-12
 | | kbob: i vaingloriously announce my Count Von Bardeleben (born 1861) number of 4. [Constraint: published tournament wins] via kbob-Formanek Chicago (p. CLR Dec 1976); Formanek-Dake Lone Pine 1976; Dake-Alekhine Pasadena 1932, Alekhine- Von Bardeleben Duseldorf 1908. And this from a mere USCF A player. Shutting up now : ) |
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Nov-30-12
 | | perfidious: <kbob> That condition tightens things up a mite. A Bardeleben-4 probably is not at all easy anyway. |
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Jun-20-13
 | | perfidious: <FSR>: The draw which Bellon obtained with Karpov was actually another gambit vs the English, made famous by Saidy vs Fischer, 1968. |
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Jun-22-13
 | | FSR: <perfidious> Of course you are right. Weird, the tricks one's memory can play on one. |
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Jun-22-13
 | | perfidious: <FSR:.....Weird, the tricks one's memory can play on one.> Don't I know it. |
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Oct-22-18
 | | kbob: David Navara vs David Rozmbersky
CZE-chTJ 0102 (2001), Czechia, rd 1 is a good example of how to play this line for white. I say this only because I lost what seemed like dozens of games as white and then finally beat a master after studying that game very carefully. |
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Oct-22-18 | | Granny O Doul: White was visibly startled by 17...Ne5, but he recovered nicely. |
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