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Garry Kasparov vs Guy West
"Guy Foxed" (game of the day Nov-05-2012)
telex (1977), Sep-24
Sicilian Defense: Pin. Koch Variation (B40)  ·  1-0



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Jul-09-12  LoveThatJoker: Guess-the-Move Final Score:

Kasparov vs G West, 1977.
Your score: 21 (par = 15)


Nov-05-12  Phony Benoni: OK, I got this one:

Note that it is observed on November 5.

Nov-05-12  lost in space: Nice tactical shot of the young Kasparov!
Nov-05-12  Infohunter: What a burn!
Nov-05-12  Octal: Remember, remember the 5th of November.
Nov-05-12  Abdel Irada: <MarkFinan>: If I'm not mistaken, 8. ...Bf8 is actually a book move in the Koch Variation, with the idea of removing the sting from a subsequent Qg4, by analogy with 5. Bf1 in the Ulvestad Variation Two Knights'.

Black's decisive mistake appears to have been 10. ...Nd7. He could perhaps have survived with 10. ...dxe5 or even 10. ...Nc6, but with the text he removed a crucial defender from his e6 pawn, offering Kasparov the chance to play the tactic we saw in the game.

Nov-05-12  Tired Tim: Good gracious! A quotation for GOTD that starts on this side of the pond! Does it travel west? Clearly Octal and PB are tuned in.

(More cucumber sandwiches anyone?)

Nov-05-12  kevin86: The GUNPOWDER PLOT:1605 on 11/5.

West goes west.

Nov-05-12  Tired Tim: <The GUNPOWDER PLOT:1605 on 11/5>?! Oh please! It's our plot ... on 5/11.
Nov-05-12  Abdel Irada: Eleven-five, five-eleven ... let's call the whole thing off.
Nov-06-12  kevin86: The date order is interesting as the famous days in German History in 1923 and 1989 were both 9/11 (9 November)
Nov-06-12  Abdel Irada: I wonder when — or if — the world will come to some sort of understanding about date order. At present, the conflicting systems lead to constant confusion. I doubt it's led to any serious problems, but it remains annoying.
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  FSR: <Abdel Irada> Yes, 8...Bf8 has been played in other games, albeit with uninspiring results. Opening Explorer It's definitely preferable to the 8...0-0 of Sznapik vs J Barle, 1981.
Apr-24-14  Guy West: LOL. Thought I'd better pop in to see how my crucifixion is going :-)

Thanks to the posters who were kind to me and who explained difficult concepts like irony and self deprecating humour to the less fortunate.

For those of you still asking why I played ....Bf8?! or ...Nd7??, it was because I was a patzer, but there is also a fuller explanation on previous kibitzing pages.

Asking a patzer why they played a blunder is not usually a fruitful exercise. It's like asking a clumsy man why he accidentally trod on his own genitals.

Anyway, I mainly wanted to mention that Garry Kasparov visited us in Australia the other day, (April 2014), campaigning for the position of FIDE President. He spoke quite passionately about his vision for world chess and presented a strong case for change. I don't know if he can win, but it's good to see him involved and presenting an alternative.

We shook hands and shared a laugh about this game. I forgot to tell him I have a small improvement planned in the unlikely event we ever cross swords again. Shake in your boots if you're reading this, Garry. :-)

Oh, and for the record, AFL football is played in every state of Australia and is far and away the most popular code of football here, as evidenced by crowd figures, player remuneration and gambling turnover. (Not that being the most popular means it's better than the next game, just correcting a previous poster.) Chess, as we all know, is perhaps the greatest game on earth, but not especially popular in Australia, although growing rapidly now.

And yes, unbelievably, the Telex match was scheduled to clash with what was then a VFL Grand Final. I guess the thrill of playing Russia at chess trumped common sense.

In the end it was all worth it, as Australia ended up eventually becoming World Telechess Champions due to some bizarre events, rather similar to when a speed skater from Australia won Olympic gold due to the guys in front of him all falling over. We will hold this title in perpetuity due the convenient advent of the internet and consequent redundancy of Telechess matches.

Got to go. Best wishes to all from the land down under.

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  perfidious: <Guy> We have all been on the receiving end of miniatures-no stigma attaches to it, regardless of some posters' views.
Apr-25-14  Paraconti: <Guy> I once worked for a multinational company where my boss was an Aussie. We couldn't really get along at first, largely due to cultural differences which hampered our project's progress. But that all ended one day when we got to talking chess over drinks in some bar in Africa after work. I told him how I enjoyed chess and mentioned several Aussie players I'd read about - namely yourself and Ian Rogers. Well, you know how two strangers sharing a train compartment can suddenly feel closer when both found out they knew a mutual friend? So it was that your name (and Rogers) became the bridge that brought my then-boss and I closer! Turned out he was a chess enthusiast himself and had watched you play before. We worked great after that and completed a project that helped develop several third world countries. So you see Guy, you have an important name!
Jan-16-15  Guy West: Hi Paraconti.
Nice story :-) Glad Ian and I could (inadvertently) be of help! I don't suppose you could give a hint as to who the employer was?
Jul-10-17  ColeTrane: We have our fingers crossed on waiting to see that improvement <Guy Fox> gg!
Oct-10-17  iano: That poney can not be taken

11...fxe6 12. Qh5+ g6 13. Bxg6+ hxg6 14. Qxg6+ Ke7 15. Bg5+ Nf6 16. Bxf6+

Oct-27-18  MrJafari: <Guy West>: It's exciting to see a player's comment under his game! It happened the first time here for me. I hope Kasparov comments himself for his games too (here)...
Jul-07-19  areknames: I had great trouble with this (really quite unsound) variation as White in many blitz games against the same opponent at the beginning of my competitive career until I finally exposed him. I found this game thanks to the opening of the day and I'm happy I did! Thanks to all and especially to <Guy West> for some inspired kibitzing. I love the connection to the drawn 1977 VFL grand final, absolutely terrific stuff.
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  Fusilli: <perfidious: <Guy> We have all been on the receiving end of miniatures>

And more than that. When I was a kid, our club teacher would tell us "one day you will place last, and that's ok. It's part of every chess player's experience." Sure enough, I placed last sometime in the late 80s in a field of 30 players or so. (The Argentine <26 championship... remember that ridiculous category?) It was soul-crushing, but I lived, and learned.

Jul-18-20  MordimerChess: <Guy West> Awesome comment about patzers, hahahha...

About Bf8, it wasn't maybe the best move... but it wasn't the worst. 18 years later Ivanchuk played Bf8 in Winawer variation of French, very similar structure and... he won :D

Nd7, well...

And one more thing, there are couple of games by Baadur Jobava who won in that variation but after 7. Bd2 he took with the bishop 7...Bxc3 but of course not in 1977, lol ...

Anyway, I created the video about that event and explained a bit that 40 years ago people didn't have internet to play online... but they had TELEX :D


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  GrahamClayton: Shame that this game has already been "Game of The Day", otherwise I would have suggested this pun:

Aug-08-22  Ulhumbrus: Guy West was ( and one may assume is) no patzer. I saw him during my student days in the early 1980s in London and he was one of the prize contenders at one of the weekend chess congresses that were held in London at that time.

He says in his post that he saw as soon as he had played 10...Nd7 that 11 Nxe6 won. That itself would have taken some playing strength.

It was his bad luck that the Australian grand final had to take place at the very time he faced Kasparov of all people, and that Kasparov was a teenage prodigy little known outside the USSR at the time.

The concluding combinations suggest that one can learn a thing or two from this game. Kasparov included this game as an example in one of his chess tutorial computer disks.

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