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|Jan-04-05|| ||Skylark: Kg3 Ne3+ still works because of the g8-rook.
I got it; an easy win of a rook.
|Jan-04-05|| ||Novice713: <Skylark> oh yes, of course |
|Jan-04-05|| ||erimiro1: Nice and easy, and a very sad end to the King's Gambit. I still hope, that one day someone will find the way to refresh that classical openning, like Bronstein and Spassky did during the 50's and the 60's. |
|Jan-04-05|| ||Willem Wallekers: <a very sad end to the King's Gambit>
Not if white plays 6. 0-0 in stead of 6.g3 |
|Jan-04-05|| ||Ed Caruthers: Why not 13...Qxh2+ winning the exchange a few moves earlier? Were there chances to win more if White went wrong between the 13th & 17th moves? |
|Jan-04-05|| ||beenthere240: 16 Rxd2 isn't any better for white, since after 16...Qh4+ the R has to return to h2 and the sac is back in place. |
|Jan-04-05|| ||cuendillar: <Ed Caruthers> It has been tried before where white eventually managed to win. Obviously black should have won that one too, but the line played was obviously better. Spassky vs Portisch, 1967 |
|Jan-04-05|| ||mahmoudkubba: I do'nt understand why the white resigned so early?? any news on that?? |
|Jan-04-05|| ||themindset: because he is down a rook. |
|Jan-04-05|| ||kevin86: At first,I looked for the mate-then I realized that after the queen sac at h2,white couldn't save his own queen-which was to be lost by fork or discovered check (on g file by disc. ch.,on h file by ♘f2+ forking both ♔ and ♕) |
|Jan-04-05|| ||acirce: <Please don't delete it and steal my amusement. ;)> No, why should I do that? |
|Jan-04-05|| ||hintza: <acirce> LOL. You are just too sharp! |
|Jan-04-05|| ||benveniste: After 20 Ke1, the game goes something like:
20. Ke1 Nxd5
21. Kxd1 Nxe2
22. Nxe2 dxe5
22. fxe5 0-0-0+
White's isolated e-pawn eventually falls as well, leaving no play.
|Jan-04-05|| ||Stonewaller2: <erimiro1> I use the Falkbeer Counter Gambit, 2. ... d5. Lots of fun little tricks in there, besides which my experience has been it tends to shock the King's Gambiteer, as odd as that might seem. |
|Jan-04-05|| ||beenthere240: 13...Qg3 appears to have been the killer, gaining time to drive the Queen off the d1-h5 diagonal with 14...Bg5. This move looks like a prepared novelty that refutes what had been (on white's part) an extremely speculative sacrifice of the exchange. |
|Jan-04-05|| ||Nickisimo: <mahmoudkubba> White has no good response to 17...Ng4+.|
If White moves his king anywhere on the g-file, 18. Kg2 or 18. Kg3, then 18...Ne3+(discovered check from the rook on g8), and Black wins the Queen and is up a rook.
If White tries 18. Kh1 or 18.Kh3, 18...Nf2+ forks the King and Queen.
So down a rook, White can safely resign here.
|Jan-04-05|| ||white pawn: I got this one :-D. The ♔ cannot escape check, and will lose his queen. Very nice |
|Jan-04-05|| ||erikcu: Players who kibitz here must be pretty darn good. Five posts bantering the word "easy". Maybe seeing the initial fork was easy, but working out that you could stay up material in the end was not easy for me. It involves the threat/utilization of another possible fork. I suppose once you vizualize it, anything looks easy. |
Thanks to the folks contributing the continuations. At my level it was not a cut and dry win.
|Jan-04-05|| ||chessowl: Ah I get it, the fork on the queen. Basic but still very nice. I like the Kings gambit too, though it is really easy to get into trouble (eg, 3...Bg4!)but I find that once most people accept the f pawn the lack of a center for Black gives white an advantage. |
Question, can someone please define 'sac'?
|Jan-04-05|| ||white pawn: "Sac" = Sacrifice, as in, to give up a piece for a less valuable piece, in order to obtain an advantage. |
|Jan-04-05|| ||erikcu: sac. an abreviation for sacrifice. To give up something valuable in the short term, hopefully for a long term gain. |
|Jan-04-05|| ||Milo: Wha? Sorry if someone has already answered this, but isn't white just losing an exchange?|
18.Kg3 Ne3+ 19.Kf2 Nxd1+ 20.Ke1 traps the knight, doesn't it?
|Jan-04-05|| ||Milo: The game is obviously lost in any case... |
|Jan-05-05|| ||Stonewaller2: <Milo> Black's up the Exchange and a ♙ after ... ♘xb2. At my level I'd play it out as White tho. Taking the "winning" side in these kinds of positions make for good workouts for me against the computer. |
|Jan-05-05|| ||patzer2: Depending on White's 18th move reply, the game ends with either a knight fork or a discovered check, winning the White Queen. However, the combination setting up this resignable position begins with the "deflection" move 16...Qxh2+! |
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