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| Apr-21-06 | | giantwizard: <Counterpoint: <giantwizard> care to analyze this position?>
Here is a 5 minute analysis by Fritz 9:
1.  (4.11): 22.♖df1 ♖d7 23.♖7f6+ ♕xf6 24.♖xf6+ ♔xf6 25.♗d5 ♖d8 2. (2.79): 22.h3 ♖d7 23.♖df1 ♖xf7 24.♗xf7+ ♔g7 25.♗d5 ♖b8 26.h4 g4 27.♖f7+ ♔g6 28.♖c7 ♗d7 29.♖xb7 ♖xb7 3. (2.42): 22.h4 ♗e6 23.♖xb7 ♖ab8 24.♖xb8 ♖xb8 25.♗xe5 ♖xb6 26.♗xd6 ♗xb3 27.axb3 ♖b5 28.♖h1 gxh4 29.♖xh4 d3 30.♗f4 |
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| Apr-21-06 | | Counterpoint: So 18.d4 is winning!! |
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| Apr-21-06 | | DP12: Bg4 is an interesting move. While I was analyzing I of course only looked at K:f7. I think that taking one piece and then not taking the bishop is really unnatural for a human player. I wouldn't be surprised if neither David or Sturua saw Bg4. |
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| Apr-21-06 | | RandomVisitor: <Counterpoint>in your line Rd8 is not best for Black. Try Be6 or Bg4. |
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| Apr-21-06 | | giantwizard: <Counterpoint> not actually.. in your line 20.♕b6 is met by 20...♗e6 21.♗d5 ♗xd5 22.♖xd4 ♕g6 23.♖xd5 ♕xe4 24.♕b3 ♕xg2 25.♖f2 ♕h1+ 26.♖d1 ♕e4 27.♖d7 ♖ad8 = (-0.19) 20...♖d8 seems to be a blunder
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| Apr-21-06 | | Counterpoint: <randomvisitor> <giantwizard> Yes, 20..Be6 seems to be the refutation. =/ |
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| Apr-21-06 | | RandomVisitor: <marcwordsmith>in your line, white would play 23.Qg7 threatening Bxe5, which would be his next move after Black moves his King. |
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| Apr-21-06 | | whatthefat: Okay, so 18.d4 still seems at least as strong as the move played. After 18...cxd4 is there not a better move for white than 19.Qa5 by any chance? |
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| Apr-21-06 | | RandomVisitor: the 18.d4 cxd4 19.Qa5 line seems to be refuted by 19...b5 with a score of -0.51 |
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| Apr-21-06 | | giantwizard: <whatthefat> 19.h4 and 19.c3 are slightly better for white |
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| Apr-21-06 | | RandomVisitor: also good against Qa5 is f6. |
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| Apr-21-06 | | Counterpoint: <randomvisitor> I though 19..b5 would be met by 20.a4 what happens next? |
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| Apr-21-06 | | RandomVisitor: Best play at move 18 seems to be 18.h4 f6, where white has a small space advantage +0.40 |
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| Apr-21-06 | | RandomVisitor: <Counterpoint>Black plays Be6 |
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| Apr-21-06 | | dzechiel: I spent about 10 minutes on this and looked at everything, including the sac of the rook on f7 and couldn't get anything to work! It seemed to me that black wasn't compelled to recapture right away on f7 with the king, but could develop his bishop with tempo and then bring his rook to f8. It really appears to me that black could have come up with a more robust defense here. |
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| Apr-21-06 | | pawntificator: I didn't come up with the solution either, although I did consider it. I was considering something more along the lines of 18. Qc3 or else 18. Rf2. Thank you chessgames.com for giving us a puzzle that could make us feel smart about ourselves for refuting it! |
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| Apr-21-06 | | guybrush: Didn't this guy read Bobby Fisher's article "Bursting King's Gambit"... or there are some further developments I am unaware of? |
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| Apr-21-06 | | DoctorChess: Well, I did see 18.Rxf7 right away. But I did not see any gain of material or position since the black king can then move to safety with 20...Ke8 and black wins. But black defenitely messed up with 20...Kg6?? Anyways, someguy analyzed the game with Fritz 9 and it said that 18.Rxf7 is a blunder with 20...Kg6 a bigger blunder. lol...
The best move I could come up was 18.h4 Great move disrupting the pawn structure that is protecting the king from exposure. |
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| Apr-21-06 | | Papablanca: Why does black resign after 25 h4? I fail to see the thread... |
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| Apr-21-06 | | TheUnkraut: Irritated by your comments, i proofed the lines i did some hours ago with my fritzens and hiarcsens-and though im not ready with all possibilities again (i have to go especially for this main Bg4 thing once more as fast as theres time for me), the other ones still seem to work-what are you guys doing there? Might it be, that you all just uses the inifinite mode? This leads to the famous horizont effect, and even your strongest PC's will miss the truth. Analysis with computer means you have to lead the engines through the lines and give alternatives-then whites advantage should increase more and more (or is my fritz6 and hiarcs7 maybe to old to understand 1997 lines?hmmm....) |
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| Apr-21-06 | | ckr: Looked at the double sac on f6 and felt it was suicide. Too much material and little to gain. Very surprised to see it was played and more surprised to see that the black king allowed white to have the back rank. I feel that black lost the game more than white won it. In the position I was thinking Qc3 followed by d4 but settled on a safe but solid Qf2. However this ruined my 4 day run :-( |
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| Apr-21-06 | | ckr: It seems I am not alone. |
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| Apr-21-06 | | percyblakeney: I couldn't make anything work properly and ended up with 18. Qc3. Shredder first plays the computerish 18. Kb1 but goes for h4 after a minute (and sees it as approximately +1.75). |
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| Apr-21-06 | | AlexandraThess: < United33: according to fritz9, 18.Rxf7?? is a blunder !!!, but.... 20.... Kg6??? is bigger blunder than rxf7, so white win not because rxf7, but because Kg6, it should be Ke8, and black win. No wonder that i can't find the "solution" for this puzzle >
LOL, No wonder that you couldn't find the solution of the puzzle,since your Fritz couldn't find it! |
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| Apr-21-06 | | Papablanca: why did black give up? How does white finish after gxh? |
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sac: 19.Bxf7