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Mar-02-06 | | pawn to QB4: Went for Snosko's ...Rxe4 figuring 35 fxe4 Qa2 + and if 36. Kc1 Qxb3 37. cxb3 Ra1 + with a won pawn ending. Didn't see Korchnoi's winning reply to 36. Nc5 in the game as played. Note to self: when you find a good move look for a better one. Didn't see Rxb4 and think you're right to be proud. |
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Mar-02-06 | | ambrosial: how about 35. ...Ra3? if 36. Rxa3, Qxa3++ and if white moves Qb1 not taking this rook, 36. ...Qxb1 37. Rxa3(black queen is safe cuz of pinning) and then Qxb4 mates. is there something i missed? |
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Mar-02-06 | | simsan: <ambrosial>: After 34.Qb2+ 35.Kc3 Ra3? there is no immediate threat to white's king. Black is still better, but the R on b3 is protected by the pawn on c2 as well as the white K. White simply doesn't need to take on a3 or to bring his Q in for protection. |
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Mar-02-06 | | trumbull0042: I got the text line, and pretty quickly, at that :-) One of the things these <Chessgames.com> puzzles has taught me to do is to calculate further than the point where I want to say, "nah, this line won't work." For example, when I saw that 35...Rc8+ could be met with 36. Nc5, I almost said to myself, "nah, this line won't work.", but decided to see what would happen if the rook captured the intempestive knight. |
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Mar-02-06 | | Hudson Hawk: Took me a while but I finally did settle on the text move. I almost missed the skewer, I kept staring at the position after the knight blocked the rook on the C file wishing that the king were forced to step down onto c1 after Qa2 and then I realized he had done something just as bad. |
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Mar-02-06 | | RandomVisitor: Here's my take on 34...Rxb4:
34...Rxb4
35.Nd2 Qa3+
36.Kc3 Rc8+
37.Kd3 Rd4+
38.Ke2 Qa6+
39.c4 Rcxc4
40.Nxc4 Qxc4+
41.Kf2 Qxb3
which also wins |
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Mar-02-06 | | starkidaway: you know,I saw the game combination of 34....Qa2+ 35.Kc3 Rc8 36. Nc5 RxN and winning the queen but I considered that white would play
35. Kc1..then Qa1+ 36.Rb1 Qa3+
37.Rb2 RXb4 (here I was convinced that this was the winning line because it was so pretty)38. QxR Qe3+ 39. Kd1(39.Qd2 Qg1 mates or 39. Nd2 Qe1++)..Ra1+ 40.Rb1 RxR. 41.QxR Qg1+ winning the queen ....
it took me about 10 minutes to calculate all this but then I realized that 35....QxR wins easier.Funny how one can miss less complicated combinations over the lenghty ones.. |
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Mar-02-06 | | RandomVisitor: White's troubles started on move 20 when he should have played 20.Nde2, with equality. Did Korchnoi miss an earlier win?
What about 26...Rxc3!
27.Qe5+ f6
28.Qe7+ Kh6
29.Rc5 (everything else leads to mate in 9 or less)
29...Rxc5
30.Qe3+ Kg7 |
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Mar-02-06 | | Richerby: It's all very well saying that one found 34... ♕a2 35.♔c3 etc quickly but I don't think that really counts as a solution of the puzzle unless you also had a line prepared in case White played 35.♔c1. As in a real game, it's important to have seen all the important lines after one's chosen move. (I had only 36... b6 in the ♔c3 line and could't see any way to break through after ♔c1.) |
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Mar-02-06 | | Catenaccio: I started out with b4 too, pretty happy to have seen, that the rook cannot be taken there.
When I saw, that Korchnoi played differently, I played my lines against Fritz ... and lost! |
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Mar-02-06 | | jorgegatica: Chesstoplay argues that Korchnoi is the strongest chessplayer and not World Champion... then I went to his page and enjoyed his games; and there I found this truly gem
Karpov vs Korchnoi, 1994
For me, the 59... move is one of the toughest puzzles I have ever seen. It wins with black in what it seems to be forced moves in 13 moves more. White can not defend even with two queens fully operative. |
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Mar-02-06 | | Hafen Slawkenbergius: I'm not so sure Korchnoi is the strongest player never to become world champion; but one of the main attributes of a world champion is his fighting spirit, and I think I may safely say he was the greatest fighter not to become WC. It's a pity, because he is definitely a great player. |
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Mar-02-06 | | YouRang: Hmmm, I figured out the 34...Qa2+ 35. Kc1 line. I didn't give as much attention to 35. Kc3 because it looked so unsafe after 35...Rc8+ 36. Nc5. I didn't see the clever 37...Rxc5!, but I did see the simple 37...b6, winning the pinned knight. It looked good enough to me... |
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Mar-02-06 | | kevin86: I tried the more subtle 34...♖c4-threatening ♕a2# but I think white has a proper counter with ♕b1, correct? |
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Mar-02-06 | | chessic eric: I don't think its a shame or a pity that Korchnoi never achieved WC title. His incredible games, and more impressive longevity of top-notch play earn him a spot in the chess firmament more so than some who have a WC at some point or another. Certainly Korchnoi's legacy is more valuable to chess history than Khazimdzanov's or Ponomariov's. I'd go so far to say that even WC Topalov, despite his brilliance over the last year and a half, has yet to match Korchnoi's achievement. |
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Mar-02-06 | | Mating Net: Clear cut case of playing the most forcing move available, 34...Qa2+, especially since Black was already up the exchange, and the White King has only one safe square that avoids mate. The Rook sac is certainly the quickest win, but Black could still win without that move due to his massively superior position. |
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Mar-02-06 | | Hudson Hawk: <Richerby> In the Kc1 line I saw QxR, and after PxQ then Ra1 skewers the King and Queen. Even if white declines the Q sac black wins a rook either way. |
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Mar-02-06 | | drnooo: the puzzle here is this really a puzzle. all the lines are so cut down and forced, lanes of attack simplified, there ain't much to work with. if the pin at the knight forces resignation as quickly as ripping the head off the horse, big deal. Korchnoi after it very probably just shrugged and took it as another relatively easy game for him ended. |
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Mar-02-06 | | drnooo: As for the argument about Korchnois place in the bad luck stakes of chess champ history, that probably still belongs to either Keres or Bronstein. They both beat him in their long series of encounters, and all three were victims of KGB fear. As for Keres or Bronstein, Bronstein beat Keres over the long haul, but Keres made it up the ladder more than David. And Korchnois loss to Karpov with Victors family as hostage behind the Iron Curtain, well he might have backed off from winning that close match. The truth is all three of these guys were world champs and all stronger than anyone at the top today. They just had the bad luck to be Russian and had to kowtow to the KGB. |
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Mar-02-06 | | dakgootje: <I looked at this long and hard and came up with 34...Rxb4. The rook cannot be captured (mate in 1 if by the queen, 2 if by the rook), but the move also doesn't seem to threaten all that much. I was so delighted when I spotted this rook "sac", that I stopped looking at other moves. I was truly surprised when the key move turned out to be the pedestrian queen check!> Exactly what i would have posted when i had seen this puzzle before you ;-)First i looked both at that ****queen check and Re4, but they both didnt seem to treaten enough, and the queen check seemed just too easy! So after 2 minutes of desperate calculating i finally...started media player in search of some work-music ;-). So when i had that i looked again at puzzle, thinking hard at things i didnt see yet, and within seconds saw Rxb4, was very happy, clicked on the puzzle...and saw it wasnt the text move... Not suspecting anything i played through the game, and expected a note that strangely Korchnoi hadnt seen the beautiful move Rxb4...and was pretty disappointed, when i was at that point, to see it wasnt the solution -.- Lucky that <patzer2>, or well his fritz8, saved my with calculating Rxb4 was decisive too =) |
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Mar-02-06 | | McCool: I thought it would be
34. ..♖xb4
35. ♖xb4 ♕a3+
36. ♔b1 ♕a1+
Winning the queen
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Mar-02-06 | | RandomVisitor: In the game after 26.Rxd5  click for larger viewBlacked played 26...Rxd5, but has 26...Rxc3! This leads to a win: 27.Qe5+ f6
28.Qe7+ Kh6
29.Rc5 (everything else leads to mate in 9 or less)
29...Rxc5
30.Qe3+ Kg7
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Mar-02-06 | | pwrstick: Huh! I totally saw this combination, but was convinced white would 35. Kc1. I couldn't find any good Black response to 35. Kc1 (I didn't see 35 ... Qxb3 36. cxb3 Ra1+ for the queen skewer.) I was pretty enamored with 34 ... Rxb4 myself, for the already mentioned reasons. I'm quite happy I saw that one too :-) |
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Mar-02-06 | | Marius: I had an other winning line :
34...Rxe4 35.fxe4 Qa2+ 36.Kc1 Qxb3! 37.cxb3 Ra1+ 38.Kd2 Rxe1 39.Kxe1 b5!! and black wins the ending |
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Mar-02-06 | | Knight13: What... I thought it was White to move and I couldn't find the winning move after pulling my hair!! :"> |
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