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| Aug-22-05 | | erimiro1: <aginis>To break your pawn's structure in such position, can not be a good idea, unless you exchange the queens, and use your advantage in the queen side. If you are not doing that, like in this case, you expose your king to a perpetual. I think (without testing it by a computer) that until the 44th. move white had an advantage, while after it, the game became a draw. May be Borisenko was tired (my guess, based on his terrible blunder in the last move), may be he didn't find the way to win, and he hoped to get something by exchanging pieces. |
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| Aug-22-05 | | pogo5: <ranchogrande> I support enthusiastically your suggestion to allow the pieces to capture en passant! Then, as I once read in an issue of British Chess Magazine, TRIPLE CHECK becomes a possiblility ... How? ;-) |
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| Aug-22-05 | | BadTemper: If pieces can take en passant then a knight taking en passant can triple check in coordination with a Queen and Rook for example. |
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| Aug-22-05 | | erimiro1: <aginis> You didn't mention white's response to 59. Kh4 Qe2! (with the threat on h5). I still think that it's a draw. |
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| Aug-22-05 | | pogo5: Come on <SamuelS>, you should know that a Sanity check requires a Sanity Clause signed by the parties before the game begins. Please tell me who the hell is this Sanity Check anyway? As Chico Marx once said ""Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha. You can't fool me... there ain't no Sanity Clause." ;-) |
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| Aug-22-05 | | SamuelS: <pogo5>, I thought about it again. If all players were forced to sign a Sanity Clause before entering a tournament, there would be none. And what comes to this Sanity Chick, I mean Check, I won't tell nothing about her to such a chess player as you are. |
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| Aug-22-05 | | molle2006: Due to white's passed pawn I was just looking for something like a perpetual check or a fork to get the pawn... then I realized that it's monday - and saw f5+ |
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| Aug-22-05 | | Rocafella: Really annoys me when people say 'Easy, even for monday' People are at all different levels and one puzzle maybe the different for a range of people. I also noticed the people that just come out with the comment 'Easy, even for a Monday' only say 'got it', never say 'I missed this one' on the more challenging puzzles. |
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Aug-22-05
 | | cu8sfan: Many of you posted something in the lines of <I was only looking for a draw>. Of course this is due to the new system that <chessgames.com> employs. If it had said <Black to play and win> many of you would have gotten it. However in a game you don't have this information and I think before looking for a way to draw one should always first look for a way to win. Therefore the change to <Black to play> will prove very helpful and instructive even though some of us will miss some of the solutions. |
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| Aug-22-05 | | SamuelS: <Rocafella>: I missed ALL puzzles last week except Monday's. ;-) |
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Aug-22-05
 | | Richard Taylor: <SamuelS> I think that when you are concentrating on trying to win as itloskas though Borisenko was - you miss this kindof thing - you see many things and miss many - the point about studying tactics is that you see more or miss less - bu of course you never see everything not and no master - or GM - no one sees everything or we wouldnt be interested in any "brilliancies" - without error we would have no tactics - this shows the importacne of checking and alertness in chess (being a good accountant or house keeper) - one of the qualities of good player - as imprtant as strategical knowledge etc and I have also missed thhings such as Borisenko did here - I once left a rook en pris in the New Zealand Correspondence Championship -I wasn't happy -but i paid the price - Simagin in a sense had the easy job - as he knew he could get draw - but (or probably could) but was clearly looking for a resource or a "swindle" (not a trap as such - and his alertness and tactics paid off in this case - a useful thematic thing this game...(the ending I mean) Of course I saw this one - "failed" yesterday but saw this one immediatley - thank goodness!! |
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| Aug-22-05 | | The beginner: White must feel pretty dumb after this game :(
Having been 2 pawns up for almost the entire game only to blunder it all away. Acording to fritz 32 Rf2 was better.
<aginis> problem with your line is that if black dont check the white king he will be mated in 3 moves. Qxf7+ ..Kh8
Qf8+ ..Kh7
Rf7 mate.
So best play from black is to keep checking the white king until he can pick up the white rook, in exchange for his bishop. Then it will be Q vs Q but white is still up 2 pawns, wich should win the game easely ? |
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| Aug-22-05 | | SamuelS: <The beginner: "White must feel pretty dumb after this game :( ">, and Black after this game:
Christiansen vs Karpov, 1993 |
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Aug-22-05
| | Richard Taylor: <The beginner: White must feel pretty dumb after this game :( > Not necessarily - not dumb -maybe disconsolate -but not necesarily even that - he may have felt great - he would have analysed the game with his opponent - and remembered then or later all the other great games he had played -he may have even had a good laugh over the trap - some chess players find they can shrug things like this off easily - they often are the winners at the end of a tournament. was Fscher feeling dumb when eh lsotot Sasskyin their fisrtmatchgame of teh 1972 World Cahmpps? No ..he - no GM or master or anyone with any self strength or self love feels they are "dumb" -no matter what happens (but that said I know what you are saying) |
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Aug-22-05
| | Richard Taylor: Maybe I should set up as Chess Therapist, Motivavator and Philospher!! Any jobs going Chessgames.com ?!! Reasonable hourly rate..apply within. |
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| Aug-22-05 | | awfulhangover: Well, solved it easily, but Mondays use to be even easier. |
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Aug-22-05
| | Richard Taylor: <Rocafella> good point -it doesn't matter of course what people say --but I always admit my stuff ups as well as telling when I have solved a difficult one - I never consider anything easy (for me none of these puzzles is "easy") - chess always hard - we may see deeply or not but if we cant see one move or 2 we are in trouble - you are right we there are all diff. levels - and also - the strongest players can learn from everything. Fischer and those guys - (he especially) used to study games of all levels of players - nothing in chess was not interesting to him - of course we/I arent going into his politics/personality etc etc - but the point |
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| Aug-22-05 | | The beginner: <SamualS>
Yes
11..Bd6
and Karpov is unable to defend knight and Bishop from the Queen fork 12 Qd1. <Richard Taylor>
I dont mean that the players are dumb, as these players are 1000 times better than i will ever be.
I just know the feeling being ahead almost the entire game game, only to let it all slip away with a mistake, as i do this my self way to often :) |
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| Aug-22-05 | | The beginner: <Samual>
Another game i dont think Karpov remember with a smile on his face is Sunnyvale vs Karpov, 1988 |
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Aug-22-05
| | cu8sfan: <Another game i dont think Karpov remember with a smile on his face> Well, the worst would be Kasparov vs Karpov, 1987, right? |
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| Aug-22-05 | | The beginner: <cu8sfan>
Yes karpov may not want to remember that game eather :) There is a saying in chess that you cant win, unless the oponent makes a mistake. The diference beteween Kasparov vs Karpov, 1987 And the two other Karpov games mentioned, is in this game it is much harder to point out Karpovs mistake, the two other games are just plain blunders losing on the spot. Kasparov vs Karpov, 1987
Where is the mistake ?
Maybe it was 31 Nxa4 after that move Karpov looks like he was Kasperovs punching bag. Both karpovs knights live on the edge of the board after the rook exchange, and kasperov wins the pawn back with 35 Nxf7. But it is hard to point out the losing move. Actually this is in my opinion the most fasinating kind of chess games it may look a bit boring, but some players seem to be able to win games even you can not really find any mistake moves by the oponent. |
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| Aug-22-05 | | Robin01: I solved this one in about 45 seconds. |
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| Aug-22-05 | | Koster: Another case of trying to hard to win. In hindsight g3 and Kh3 looks dumb, it gives the king no protection at all. 53. Kg1 and answer Q checks by moving toward the center looks like the only try. |
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| Aug-22-05 | | JustAFish: This is the first puzzle in which the instruction "White to play" instead of "White to play <and win>" has come into play for me. Seeing that white had three pawns, including a passer, I spent a good while trying to come up with a decent self-stalemate for black. When that didn't bear fruit, I searched for a win. |
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| Aug-22-05 | | PARACONT1: I actually am thankful that Borisenko made his blunder, and thus permitted generations to come to witness the winning combination. Wouldn't it be dull if everyone played perfectly or wins were grinded out thru pure technique? |
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