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| Jun-18-05 | | mdz: Simply brilliant |
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| Jun-18-05 | | JohnTal: Nothing like a brilliant performance in the twilight of his great career. A Dutch treat for Mischa. |
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| Jun-18-05 | | superiorNOshow: I saw 19.g5, but my continuations were garbage and nothing close to that of Tal's. |
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| Jun-18-05 | | jackmandoo: actually i have a better plan but i hate to make tal look so bad. ill keep it to myself. |
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| Jun-18-05 | | jahhaj: I saw 19. g5 and 20. ♗h3 fairly quickly and saw that it gave Black lots of trouble, but I didn't see wins against all lines. I still don't, what is the best line against 20... ♖ad8 for instance? |
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| Jun-18-05 | | ThomYorke: marvelous |
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| Jun-18-05 | | black knight c6: Wow! so many quiet moves! (i might be first solving it today!) I intially saw the win of a pawn after
19. fxe ♗xe5
20. ♗d5+ cxd5
21. ♕xd5+ ♔h8
22. ♗xe5 ♘xe5
23. ♖xe5
but the white position looks dubious and easily undermined. so I next looked at 19. g5, and saw that after
19. ... hxg
20. ♗d5+ cxd5
21. ♕xd5+ ♕f7
But the queens have to be swapped off. I could see getting the ♗ onto the a1 - h8 file and the ♖ on the h-file would work well for white (pretty much the idea for white with 19. g5), so after
19. ... hxg5
20. ♗h3 exf
(20. ... gxf just leads to
21. ♗e6+ ♔h8
22. ♗xd7
so exf counter threatens white's ♗, and
20. ... exf
21. ♗xf6 ♘xf6
the other ♗ cant win a piece anymore)
21. ♗e6+ ♔h8
(♔h7 almost follows the same line I think... can anyone find a better continuation for white after this?)
22. ♖f3 g4
(unless he wants to lose his ♕ to
22. ... ♕e7
23. ♗g8+! winning)
23. ♗xg4
(♘ow here black grabs the bish with ♗xb2, can anyone find a saving line for black?)
23. ... ♗xb2
24. ♖h3+ ♔g8
25. ♗e6+ ♖f7
26. ♕xd7
and the game is over. Well played Tal!
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| Jun-18-05 | | black knight c6: oops. some people posted while i was typing. anyway, <jackmandoo> whats the plan, if there is one? Im sure Tal wont mind. And <jahhaj>,
I see:
20. ... ♖ad8
21. ♗e6+ ♔h8
now either:
22. ♕h3+ ♕h7
23. ♕xh7+ ♔xh7
24. ♗xe5 or fxe5 giving white a passed pawn perhaps with two ♗s or better or:
22. ♗xe5 ♘xe5 (or others)
23. ♕h3+ ♕h7
24. ♕xh7+ ♔xh7
25. fxe ♗e7 or g7
26. ♗f7
with e6 to come, and white should win. any other more interesting lines? |
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| Jun-18-05 | | chesswonders: White's 19th move opens up an important diagonal for the Bishop and also the h file for attack. |
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| Jun-18-05 | | Hektor: I have always been impressed by the imagination of Tal. I would have played 19. g5 as Tal did, but I completely missed his reasoning (moving his bishop to h3 to take advantage of the c4-g8 diagonal). |
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| Jun-18-05 | | melianis: Tal is truly one of the greatest... I included g5 to my options but ended up wondering how to take something for the b2-bishop... |
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| Jun-18-05 | | briiian13: im not quite sure how tal sees these things. that is why he is one of my favorites |
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| Jun-18-05 | | Shrivel Up DEVO: I got it till you had to see the mating attack on the rook file. Tal makes it fun! |
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Jun-18-05
 | | al wazir: 22. Bxd7 Bxb2 23. Qh3+ Qh7 (23...Kg8 24. Be6+) 24. Rf3 Qxh3 25. Rxh3+ Kg7 26. Re7+ Kg8 or Kf6 27. Rhh7. White controls the seventh rank, which ought to be enough to win. |
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| Jun-18-05 | | patzer2: Tal might have tried his combination a move earlier with 18. g5! Some analysis follows: 18. g5! hxg5 19. fxe5 dxe5 20. Bh3 Rae8 21. Bg4 Rf7 22. Qe4 Bd8 23. Rxf7 Qxf7 24. Bxd7 Qxd7 25. Qxg6+ Kh8 (25... Kf8? 26. Ba3+ c5 27. Bxc5+ Be7 28. Rf1+ Qf5 29. Rxf5#) 26. Qh5+ Kg8 27. dxe5 Qf7 28. Qg4 Qe6 29. h3 Qxg4+ 30. hxg4 Kf7 31. Rd1 Bc7 32. Rf1+ Ke6 33. Kg2 Bd8 34. Rh1 Bc7 35. c4 Re7 36. Rh6+ Kd7 (36...Kf7? 37. Ba3! Kg7 (37... Re8 38. Rh7+  ) (37... Re6 38. Rh7+ ) (37...
Rd7 38. e6+ ) 38. Bxe7 Kxh6 39. Bd6 Bb6 40. Kf3 Kg6 41. Ke4 Bf2 42. Be7!
Be1 43. e6! Bd2 44. Bf8 a5 45. e7 Kf7 46. Kf5 Bc3 (46... Bc1 47. Bh6 ) 47.
a4 Ke8 48. Kxg5 and White wins the endgame.
However, Tal probably saw a clearer win in 19 g5! at this point, and very possibly visualized an improvement for Black's defense in the above 18. g5! analysis. |
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| Jun-18-05 | | patzer2: Today's puzzle solution is the subtle 19. g5!! which is a deflection that sets up a winning pinning combination, eleven moves deep. The combination is so difficult that, even after 25 minutes of calculation at 2 GHZ and 16 depth, my strong chess program hasn't yet computed a winning advantage (overlooking the winning followup 20. Bh3! in favor of 20. fxg5  ). |
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| Jun-18-05 | | EinZweiDrei: God, seeing this sort of genius come from Tal never fails to destroy the very fiber of my life. |
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| Jun-18-05 | | melianis: Thank you <patzer2> <al wazir> for the analyses. In the game, 28...Rf8?! intending f3 if the h3-rook leaves the 3rd file, but after 28...Rf8 29.Bxf7 Rxf7 30.Rd3 Bc5 31.Kf3 ... black is lost also here after few more moves. Very hard to see the bishop manouvre giving time for the rook. |
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| Jun-18-05 | | vonKrolock: <patzer2> For me the sequence as played actually <18.de> etc would be prefered by an attacking master even without calculation of long variations, just because it combinate the idea of ♗e6 followed by ♖f3 with an imediate threat over 'd7' - thus winning time for the assault: in comparison, 20.♗h3 allowing the key defensive move 20...♖ae8! is much slower: as You pointed out, white would have to play for the endgame with his ♗♗s and better ♙♙'s shape <20...ef> Another defensive idea: 20...g4 (better than 20...e4 21.♗e6 , and if ♔h7 then 22.♕h3 followed by the exchange of ♕♕s and f4xg5) 21.♗g4 e4!? (zk) and if 22.♗e5, then ♔h7 or ♔h8 etc – now at least black avoids further opening of lines – the vertical ‘f’- and a fast ♖f3-h3 ... Of course that white would then have still the better prospects in the final with his ♙-plus (‘e4’ will fall in almost all reasonable lines) – but with still a fair fight and some chances for black in ♖♖s and oposite coloured ♗♗’s <♘ote: considering quite probable the exchange ♗b2 vs ♘d7> possible endgames – in some situations, the SPLAWM ( Splitted Pawn Majority - f4-h2 vs g6 - can becomes a factor favouring equilibrium |
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| Jun-18-05 | | vonKrolock: <in comparison, 20.Bh3 allowing the key defensive move 20...Rae8! is much slower:> better interpolating : <18.g5 hg 19.fe de> between <in comparison,> and <20.Bh3 aollowing > |
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| Jun-18-05 | | patzer2: After 2 hours and 30 minutes of calculating White's 20th move, to 17/49 depth and 1272kN/s my Chess program gives: M Tal - R Meulders
r4rk1/pp1n2q1/2p2bp1/4p1p1/5P2/1P1Q4/PBP3BP/4RRK1 w - - 0 1 Analysis by Fritz 8:
1. ± (1.09): 20.fxg5 Bxg5 21.Bh3 Rad8 22.Be6+ Kh7 23.Qh3+ Bh6 24.Kg2 Qe7 25.Bc1 g5 26.Rxf8 Nxf8 27.Rxe5 Qf6 2. (0.53): 20.fxe5 Bxe5 21.Bd5+ cxd5 22.Qxd5+ Kh7 23.Bxe5 Nxe5 24.Qxe5 Rxf1+ 25.Kxf1 Qf7+ 26.Kg2 Rf8 27.Qe7 Kh6 28.Qxf7  (0.44): 20.Bh3 exf4 21.Be6+ Kh8 22.Rf3 g4 23.Bxg4 Bxb2 24.Rh3+ Kg8 25.Be6+ Rf7 26.Qxd7 Qd4+ 4. (0.28): 20.Qc4+ Kh8 21.fxg5 Bxg5
5. = (0.00): 20.f5 e4 21.Qc4+ Kh8 22.Bxf6 Nxf6 23.Bxe4 Nxe4 24.Qxe4 gxf5 25.Rxf5 Rxf5 26.Qxf5 Rf8 27.Qg4 Qf7 6. = (0.00): 20.Ba3 Rf7 21.fxe5 Bxe5 22.Bh3 Re8 23.Bd6 Rxf1+ 24.Rxf1 Bxd6 25.Bxd7 Qxd7 26.Qxg6+ Kh8 27.Qh6+ 7.  (-0.34): 20.Bxe5 Bxe5 21.fxe5 Rxf1+ 22.Bxf1 Nxe5 23.Qe3 Re8 Either Tal or the computer is missing something here, and I'm guessing it's probably not Tal. |
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| Jun-18-05 | | Hemmeireoid5: I had a look at g5 and didnt get much further. Then I saw that it Was a certain M Tal that was playing and then I knew that I didnt have to look any further. I dont think Tal calculated to the end of the game either, I think he simply looked at the position and saw that he had an initiative for his pawn and that at some point, both his rooks would come into the game and that Black would be an exchange down. Unfortunately I didnt see it at all. Typical Tal, for a player like me g4 and f4 seems too early before bringing in the rook on a1, but Tals middle games are impecable and I would say that if he calculated anything at all it was in the middle game. After g5 I think the furthest he calculated was 25 Be6+ which to be honest is enough. |
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| Jun-18-05 | | kevin86: Is it my imagination that Tal seems to be favored at this site-specifically in sharp combinations. My favorite in this aspect of chess has always been Morphy. Am I just so cold-war minded or is it just the fact that I haven't seen many of Tal's games except here? |
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| Jun-18-05 | | aw1988: Wow, Fritz doesn't find it? I wonder what Sunday will be like... Granted, computers are horrible in strategy and long-term planning, but this is a tactical position! |
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| Jun-18-05 | | Eric Xanthus: (If anyone still cares) Was there any urgency to black's 28..Be3? At several points in the subsequent defense, it seems that 28..c5 would have been very helpful. Can someone enlighten me? |
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