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| Jul-02-13 | | Moonwalker: The move I wanted to make was 24.Bb7 as the bishop is immune: 24...Rxb7 25.Rc8#, 24...Qxb7  Unfortunately I now see that black has 24...Qa3 simultaneously defending the d6 rook and attacking white's rook on c1. I considered the game line but it didn't seem Tuesday-ish so gave up.. |
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| Jul-02-13 | | SamAtoms1980: Once you see the right starter, the immediate follow-up is easy: 24.Rxf7+ Kxf7 25.Rc7+ Ke6 26.Qxg7 and White has threats all over the place. At the board, Kavalek didn't even make Minev play it out. |
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| Jul-02-13 | | M.Hassan: "Easy"
White to play 24.?
White is a pawn up.
24.Rxf7+ Kxf7
King will obviously can not decline the sac, because
<if 24...Ke8 25.Qg8#> 25.Rc7+ Ke6
26.Qxg6!
<did not have time to go through 26.Qxg7 line which I beleive can work as well>
26.........Rd7
27.Bg4+ Kd6
28.Rxd7+ Kc5
29.Qc2+ Qc4
30.Rc7+ Kb6
31.Qxc4
Black Queen is lost
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Jul-02-13
 | | FSR: 24.Rxf7+ Kxf7 25.Rc7+ with a big attack. |
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| Jul-02-13 | | diagonalley: <phony benoni:I would still put this above usual Tuesday level. While the idea is easily conceived, the follow-up requires either calculation or faith>
i concur 100% |
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| Jul-02-13 | | agb2002: White is one pawn ahead.
Black threatens 24... Rxd7.
Black's second rank is very weak. This suggests 24.Rxf7+ Kxf7 (24... Ke8 25.Qg8+ Bf8 26.Qxf8#) 25.Rc7+: A) 25... Ke6 26.Qxg7 (threatens 27.Qe7+ and mate in two; the attack seems to win, for example:) A.1) 26... Rd1+ 27.Kg2
A.1.a) 27... Qd6 28.Rc6 wins the queen.
A.1.b) 27... Qa3 28.Qf7+ Ke5 (28... Kd6 29.Qe7#; 28... Kf5 29.e4+ Ke5 (29... Kg5 30.h4+ Kh6 31.Qh7#) 30.Re7+ Kd4(6) 31.Rd7+ and 32.Rxd1 + -) 29.Re7+ transposes to the previous sublines. A.2) 26... Rd4 27.Qe7+ Kf5 28.Rc5+ and mate next.
B) 25... Ke8 26.Qxg7 (threatens Qe7# and Qg(h)8#; 26.Qg8+ Bf8 27.Qf7+ Kd8 28.Rxa7 Rd1+ 29.Kg2 Qd6) 26... Rd1+ 27.Kg2 Qd6 (27... Qe6 28.Qh8+ Qg8 29.Qxg8#) 28.Qg8+ Qf8 29.Bc6+ wins the queen (29... Kd8 30.Qxf8 Kxc7 31.Qxf6 + -; 29... Rd7 30.Bxd7+ Ke7 31.Be8+, etc.). C) 25... Kf8 26.Qxg7+ Ke8 27.Qe7#.
D) 25... Rd7 26.Rxd7+ and 27.Qxg7 + - [B+2P]. |
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| Jul-02-13 | | geniokov: <24.Rxf7+> and the business is over! |
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| Jul-02-13 | | stacase: I was surprised that Black didn't throw in the towel after 25 Rc7+ |
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| Jul-02-13 | | mistreaver: Tuesday.White to play. Easy. 24?
24 Rxf7+ Kxf7
25 Rc7+ Ke8
26 Qg8+ Bf8
27 Rf7 |
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| Jul-02-13 | | morfishine: White wins with <24.Rxf7+> After 24...Kxf7 25.Rc7+ Ke6 (best) 26.Qxg7 its hard to find a good defense for Black. For example: (1) 26...Rbd8 27.Qe7+ Kf5 28.g4+ Kg5 29.Qe3+ Kh4 30.Rh7#; or (2) 26...Qa4 27.Qe7+ Kf5 28.Qxd6 White is up a piece and 2-pawns with an easy win Black has other tries like 26.Rdb6, 26...Qb6, or 26...Qa3, but these all seem to come up short **********
PM: As others have pointed out, a little involved for a Tuesday trying to work out continuations after 26.Qxg7 |
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| Jul-02-13 | | cocker: Very open-ended for a Tuesday. According to Fritz, 26 ♕xg6 would have been quicker. |
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| Jul-02-13 | | whiteshark: What <diagonalley> said. |
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| Jul-02-13 | | Nick46: <Phony Benoni: Saw the line, but...etc> Thanks, well said. |
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| Jul-02-13 | | gofer: <24 Rxf7+ Kxf7>
<25 Rc7+ Ke6>
<26 Qxg7 ...>
click for larger viewhttp://www.chessvideos.tv/endgame-t... Black now has to avoid the simple mating sequence 27 Qe7+ Kf5 28 Qe4+ Kg5 29 Qf4#... 26 ... Rb4 27 Qe7+ Kf5 28 Rc5+ mating
26 ... Rd4 27 Qe7+ Kf5 28 Rc5+ mating
26 ... Qa4 27 Qe7+ Kf5 28 Rc5+ mating
so there seems to be only one practical way to do that... <26 ... Re8>
White now has two choices, take the money or open the box. 27 Qf7+ Ke5
28 Qxe8+ Re6
29 Qxg6
27 Qxg6!
In either case the white pieces will combine on the light squares
bully the black king into mate in about 6 more moves... ~~~
I agree with the general concensus that this a lot harder than a normal Tuesday! |
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| Jul-02-13 | | Pedro Fernandez: But in all case this puzzle is not that easy if we take into a count the white gets the victory after several additional moves. |
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| Jul-02-13 | | zb2cr: 24. Rxf7+, Kxf7; 25. Rc7+, Ke6; 26. Qxg7 seems promising for White. Down an exchange, but with Black's King driven into the center. |
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| Jul-02-13 | | Lambda: I think it's quite reasonable to take on faith the notion that 24. Rxf7+ Kxf7 25. Rc7+ Ke6 26. Qxg7 is a good idea. We already have a bishop and a pawn for our rook, we can even take the pawn on g6 next move if we want since black hardly has time to defend it, the black king is exposed, subject to lots of threats and has nowhere to run to, and the white king is safe from any harassment black might have time to do once it moves to g2 off a back rank check. That would be plenty enough observation to play 24. Rxf7+ OTB. You start calculating lines again at move 26. |
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| Jul-02-13 | | YetAnotherAmateur: Well, I found the 24. Rxf7+ line, and then rejected it at first because I couldn't see a clear advantage after Kxf7 25. Rc7+ Ke6 26. Qxg7. Sure, the king was out of the pocket, but white was now down the exchange, which meant that he would have to play extremely carefully to ensure that black's extra rook didn't overwhelm his position. But it had to be the puzzle line, because I couldn't see much else for white to do that would be effective. |
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| Jul-02-13 | | pericles of athens: 7th rank madness! |
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Jul-02-13
 | | paulalbert: Rxf7+ was the obvious candidate, but I took a little time to calculate the concrete lines after Rc7+ , Ke6 to make sure that Qxg7 was the correct decisive follow up. I guess going on instinct is OK in casual blitz, but can be risky in serious chess, which I have discovered all too often when my calculations miss something. |
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Jul-02-13
| | paulalbert: Rxf7+ was the obvious candidate, but I took a little time to calculate the concrete lines after Rc7+ , Ke6 to make sure that Qxg7 was the correct decisive follow up. I guess going on instinct is OK in casual blitz, but can be risky in serious chess, which I have discovered all too often when my calculations miss something. |
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Jul-02-13
| | paulalbert: Sorry about dual post. This does not work well from iPhone. |
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| Jul-02-13 | | kevin86: The puzzle moves were easy,it was a bit harder with all of the wrinkles after the third move. |
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Jul-02-13
 | | chrisowen: I eg bind fancy a shot band finding dredged over straight he good call 24.Rxf7+ in glorious tip off gg comes to a halt ergo 24...kxf7 other gaffs in e8 waves a mate over beckons f8 at e8 chance to expose free a king up ply it fish in e6 rook seems to be the mistake c4xe6 a kin to distaste rook evermore kept I see white gains a pawn and overall better position to boot it another bind in got 23...rc8 keep it b8 in bone of contention it a book in a6 raids queen enough on key 23.rd7 shuttled fringe benefits queen finger g7 after 25.rc7+ indefinately post poned e6 to king free onesee aid queen ghoul as hence forth 25.Ke6 26.Qxg6 in general I'd plump to hind manoevre. |
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| Jul-02-13 | | Patriot: 24.Rxf7+ Kxf7 25.Rc7+ Ke6 26.Qxg7 - This looks pretty good although I'm not sure what the finish is. |
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