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Paul Morphy vs NN
Rook Odds game (1856) (unorthodox), USA
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Jan-15-05  Saruman: Not 19.-Ke7?? 20.Rd7+! Ke6 21.Qd5+ Kxf6 22.Rxf7+ Kg6 23.Qf5#.
Aug-17-06  sneaky pete: It doesn't really matter. After the game continuation Morphy missed the quicker mate 21.Qd8+ Ke6 22.Re1+ Qe5 23.Qd7#.
Aug-17-06  BeautyInChess: Sneaky: Qd7 is not mate.
Aug-17-06  ganstaman: But what about 21. Qd8+ Ke6 22. Qd7+ Ke5 23. Qf5#

Or am I seeing things too...?

Aug-17-06  jamesmaskell: Yep. Its definitely not mate. Kxd7 stops mate. Qd6+ has three exit routes...
Aug-17-06  sneaky pete: Sorry, that should have been 21.Qd8+ Ke6 22.Qd5+ Ke7 23.Qd7# (or 22.Qd7+ Ke5 23.Qf5# as <ganstaman> plays).

Black has been extremely cooperative, burying his QB on a2.

Aug-17-06  ganstaman: Yeah, it's like: "ok, you play without a rook, but then I'm not going to use one of my rooks or bishops, and I'm going to throw my other bishop and my queen off to the side where they can't do anything. We'll see if that evens things out."

Once you play ...Ba2, I think you have to play ...Bxb1 so as to not make the bishop totally useless (at least take someone down with you). Or perhaps better after ...Ba2 is ...Be6, admitting that it was a stupid move.

But what's with Morphy missing the easy mates? Why make it last so long? Maybe he's not as incredible a genius as we once believed...

One last question, with the current rating system, about how big a difference in rating do two players need to be for rook odds to make the game even? That is an answerable question, right?

Jun-21-07  battleaxe: 20. Qc6+ Ke7 21. Qd7#

But maybe he just liked the other one better.

Jan-01-09  WhiteRook48: tough... you spend a lot of time losing, then get Rook Odds and still lose. but let's face it... it's Morphy.
Feb-28-09  WhiteRook48: Morphy missed an earlier mate?!
Dec-12-09  Jason Frost: 21. Qd8+ is slightly faster

21. Qd8+ Ke6 22. Qd5+ Ke7 23. Qd7#

Not that it really matters, I am sure Morphy saw the entire longer mate, and he was known for playing rather quickly, so it would have been out of character for him to pause after seeing a clear win.

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