| Jul-28-04 | | who: Is there anyway for black to take the pawn and hold it? |
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| Jul-28-04 | | who: in queen's gambit |
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| Aug-14-04 | | Shah Mat: as far as i understand it (which isn't very far in QP games) the reason the QGA is so good for white is because the pawn is too much trouble to hold on to. I came upon this game looking for ways to get the pawn back, so if i find a line that looks good, i'll post it here =) |
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| Aug-14-04 | | acirce: You're not supposed to hold on to it. White easily wins it back, Black shouldn't even try. Still it is a sound opening for Black, he usually gets no particular problems with development or structural weaknesses, but there often occurs these typical positions where White gets an isolated d-pawn and gets space advantage and some initiative in return. |
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| Dec-13-04 | | Jaymthegenius: Greco play's the Queens gambit so bad! 6.b3 is a huge error! and 6...cxb3 wins for black! 8.d5 waste time, better is 8.Nf3,e6 9.Bf4,Nc6 10.Bd3 and white has much better chances then Greco vs. NN, 1620, QGA |
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| Dec-13-04 | | sneaky pete: <Jaymthegenius> 6.b3.. is the thematic move. Please explain how 6... cxb3 7.Bxb5+ .. wins for black. |
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| Dec-14-04 | | Jaymthegenius: 7...Bd7 8.Bxd7+,Qxd7  |
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| Apr-13-05 | | sneaky pete: If 6... cxb3 7.Bxb5+ Bd7 8.Qxb3 .. with a clear white advantage. |
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| Apr-13-05 | | Milo: pete, I have my doubts, as black has the passed a-pawn. Try 8...Bxb5 9.Qxb5+ Qd7. Are there any direct tactical shots? |
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| Jul-14-05 | | Jaymthetactician: Black should have won this! Greco doesnt know how to play the queens gambit correctly, I'd play as black 9...Bd6 10.Nf3,Nf6 11.Be2,Nd7  . |
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| Jul-14-05 | | aw1988: Bd6 is horrible positionally. Try 10. c5 for starters. |
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| Jul-18-05 | | Jaymthetactician: maybe so, but after the best moves after 10.c5,Bxc5 11.Nf3,Bd7 12.Be2 and black still stands better. |
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| Dec-17-05 | | Chopin: Wow a Greco game that actually lasted for more then 6 moves. |
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| Oct-04-07 | | wolfmaster: The power of the passed pawn! |
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| Jan-28-08 | | wolfmaster: NN gets to the endgame alive! |
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Dec-10-08
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| Nov-14-11 | | AnalyzeThis: NN played better here, his play was actually consistent. It's just a bad plan. |
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| May-17-17 | | hudapri: Interesting to look at the ancient approach to 1.d4. 8 pawn moves in a row and there is no development of either King's Knight. Not terrible but definitely strange. The final position is not dead lost and should be played on. Part of the reason why is because White's Nb1 remains undeveloped. 23... Rxa5 24. Nxa5 Kg7
For example, 25. Ke2 Ra8. |
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| Jul-17-23 | | generror: The first QGA "game" on file here, although I'm sure it has been handled by Damiano and maybe even Lucena. In the QGA, it's definitively not a good idea to hang on to that pawn. In the Old Variation, for example, <3.e3 b5?! 4.a4! a6? 5.axb5 axb5?? 6.Rxa8> loses a rook, while <4...c6? 5.axb5 cxb5?? 6.Qf3!> (D) loses at least a piece. 
click for larger viewIn the Saduleto Variation <3.e4> as played here, <3...b5> is actually not too bad. Black can keep White busy getting its pawn back a bit longer (the e4-pawn prevents the Qf3 trick), for example with <3.e4 b5 4.a4 c6 5.axb5 cxb5 6.Nc3 Qb6!? 7.b3 e6 8.bxc4 Bb4 9.Bd2 bxc4 10.Bxc4 Ne7> (D). 
click for larger viewHere I do prefer White and you won't ever see it on top level (except maybe a Nepo - Ding match), but on club level I'd say this is totally playable. Stockfish says it's about +0.5 (meaning this is much better than the King's Indian Defense according to Stockfish :) There is one variation where Black actually keeps the pawn -- however, it has to give the exchange for it. Stockfish's line goes <6...a6?! 7.Nxb5 axb5! 8.Rxa8 Bb7 9.Ra1 e6 10.Ne2 Bxe4 11.Nc3 Bb4 12.Be2 Nf6 13.O-O Bxc3 14.bxc3 O-O> (D) 
click for larger viewThat's evaluated to about +1, so apart from the material, nobody has any advantage. Not sure if that's what you want to go for with Black. <JaymTheTactician> is somewhat right that <6.b3?!> isn't the strongest move (<6.Nc3> prevents the Queen's Gambit dreaded <6....e5>, because after <7.Nxb5> d4 is protected), however everything else he says is, as usual, very, um, entertaining. I'd love to know in his <9...Bd6 10.Nf3 Nf6> variation what he thinks of <11.e5>, forking the two pieces he conveniently placed on d6 and f6 the two moves before... |
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