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Vladimir Kramnik vs Peter Leko
Kramnik - Leko Classical World Championship Match (2004), Brissago SUI, rd 12, Oct-14
Caro-Kann Defense: Classical Variation. Main lines (B18)  ·  1/2-1/2

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Oct-14-04  apple head: Its because 1. d4 sux! Also, he has realized that people know how to play against 1. d4 with the QID, GDG, NID
Oct-14-04  morostyle: can someone plz tell me who is the player with the most won games in database? is it fischer?
Oct-14-04  Giancarlo: I think it's safe to say this man has the most wins in the database:

Viktor Korchnoi

Oct-14-04  morostyle: thanks
Oct-14-04  Giancarlo: I don't know if Korchnoi actually holds the all time record for "offcial wins", but I would imagine he does. He's been playing forever.
Oct-14-04  morostyle: what a great record he has i have lots of respect for this man i study his games now thank you very much giancarlo
Oct-14-04  eainca: I like deps' idea for scoring!!! If you want to reward wins then how about a prize fund that would encourage wins, i.e. win #1 $, Wins 2&3 $$, wins 4&5, $$$$$ etc.
Oct-14-04
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  Sneaky: I don't understand why Leko didn't press on for the win. A win today would mean that Kramnik can pretty much pack his bags and go home. Instead he has to fight two more games and risk losing everything by playing just a single poor move!

However I am rated only ~1800 and perhaps to this supergrandmasters the final position doesn't have much promise for either side to win. It doesn't look that way to me, but I'm just a fish. Is there some analysis which indicates that White could have hung on without much fuss? If that's the case then I can forgive Leko for accepting the draw.

Oct-14-04  AlekhineViaOuija: I thought Leko played another brilliant defense allowing Bxf6 against his pawn structure. I can't find a hint of a white advantage after gxf6. I posted my take on this game at http://cartermobley.com/Game_12:__D...

I think both players will be satisfied with an early draw Saturday and then it will be a nailbiting affair on Sunday.

Oct-14-04  Dionyseus: Azaris said: "After 35. xg6 fxg6 36. xb5 then what?"

Simple, push the g and h pawns, white can't stop it. 36...g5 37.Nd4 Bb6 38.Re4 h5 39.f3 Bxd4 40.Rxd4 Kc7 41.d6+ Kd7 42.Rxc4 Kxd6 43.Kc1 h4 44.Rd4+ Ke5 and it's obvious white can't stop black's pawn storm.

if 37.Na3 then 37...Bb6! 38.f3 h5 39.Nxc4 g4 40.fxg4 hxg4 41.d6 g3 42.d7 Rd8 43.Ne5 g2 and it's over.

This seems like a simple win for black. No one has been able to offer up a refutation.

Oct-15-04  azaris: <This seems like a simple win for black> Yes, you might be right. So it's back to the 35. ♘f5 idea.
Oct-15-04
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  ray keene: <themindset>how are we doing with that computer analysis?
Oct-15-04
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  ray keene: <the mind set> ok you dont need to bother-i have looked at it with fritz now and it seems black is objectively slightly better tho for humans the final position wd be full of landmines for black.
Oct-15-04  themindset: <ray keene> i have had fritz running for seven and a half hours since i got home, here are the results (with 35.Nf5):

35...Rd8 36.Rd1 Bd6 37.Rc1 h5 38.f3 h4 39.Nxh4 Qxe4+ 40.fxe4 Re8 ยต (-0.82) Depth: 19/47

Oct-15-04
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  ray keene: <the mindset> thnks for the effort.of course in a practical game white wd make moves like a4 and then unpin the n rather than submit to an endgame-but i have little doubt in general-having looked at it myself with fritz- that this is the sort of position fritz cd defend-on the other hand its the type of position with exposed king and active wn that a human player as black might come unstuck in-cheers!
Oct-15-04  themindset: i agree with you completely <ray keene>.
Oct-15-04  crafty: 35. ♕xg6 fxg6 36. ♖e7 ♖c8 37. ♘xb5 ♗b6   (eval -0.67; depth 16 ply; 1500M nodes)
Oct-15-04  Rawprawn: The last game is Monday isn't it, not Sunday?
Oct-15-04  Dionyseus: Monday.
Oct-15-04  alexandrovm: Caro-Kann was unexpected, and it was a sharp fight.
Dec-12-04  EnglishOpeningc4: <apple head> d4 is just as good if not better than e4 and people know how to defend against e4 just as much as they know how to defend against d4.
Aug-21-05  Queens Gambit: I still think as many people does, that this was a won game for Leko, a sad thing that he was so coward to look for a win, he would be WC now.
Aug-21-05  Hesam7: Kramnik about on this game:

<Q. What about game 12, Leko didn't "guess right"? When he offered a draw in a position where he was up two pawns and all the chances to win.

K. Well I wouldn't be so categorical in claiming that he let his winning chances slip away. He had two extra pawns, but firstly one of them was doubled, and secondly the second one could not yet go forward. And then don't forget that Leko was entrenched in defense for the whole game, and psychologically it was difficult for him to shift gears and play for a win. He lost so many nerves during this game, that when the situation on the board began to swing his way, he could not find the power within him to play for a win.

Q. This is the most difficult thing, in the game.

K. In reality, it's doubtful that any human can do it.>

There is another point, what was the clock situation when Leko offered draw??

Aug-21-05  percyblakeney: <what was the clock situation> Leko had more time left than Kramnik, I think it was approximately 10 minutes against 5. I do think Leko should have played on here, at least there was no risk that he would lose the game.
Aug-21-05  acirce: Ray Keene thought Kramnik was the one who should have played on. Hard to say, but saying that Black would have taken "no risk" playing on with that king's position of his sounds a bit absurd.

In any case, in another interview Kramnik says that someone with more experience than Leko, like himself or Kasparov, probably would have been able to change focus and start playing for a win in that position.

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