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NN vs Johann Baptist Allgaier
Unknown (1846)
Bishop's Opening: Calabrese Countergambit (C23)  ·  0-1



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Premium Chessgames Member Somebody was asking about Allgaier recently on the The Kibitzer's Café. Here is a game we found attributed to him.
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  Benzol: <cg> Many thanks!
Nov-27-05  EmperorAtahualpa: I believe it was <Honza Cervenka> who suggested that Allgaier was the person operating "The Turk". But this seems unlikely to me since this game is from 1846 and the Turk's first exhibition was in 1770 already. Anyone who has more info?
Aug-30-06  Autoreparaturwerkbau: 3.Bxg8? is obviously an instant loss for white. White lost all 6 games when he played this line. True, all those games are from 19th Century.
Aug-30-06  korger: <Autoreparaturwerkbau: 3.Bxg8? is obviously an instant loss for white.>

That's ridiculous. What, in your opinion, is that <obvious, instant> winning line for black? After analyzing 20M nodes until depth 12, crafty sees only a very minor advantage for black, estimated to 0.36 pawns. It goes like 3... ♖xg8 4. exf5 ♘c6 5. ♕h5+ g6 6. fxg6 hxg6 7. ♕e2 d6 8. ♘f3 g5 9. h3 g4 10. hxg4 ♗xg4.

Hardly obvious, let alone instant. Furthermore, that it is a loss for white, is severely debatable.

Aug-30-06  ath: <EmperorAtahualpa> According to Oxford Companion to Chess, Allgaier was one of the operators of the Turk *after* the death of its creator, von Kempelen. At that time it seems to have been owned by Maelzel, who toured with it in Europe and the USA.
Sep-04-06  Autoreparaturwerkbau: Relax, <korger>. It is not a statement, merely an observation or even a question. My prove is, that all 6 games were lost by white after 3.Bxg8? That's it. No further analysis by me. Thanks for your analysis, which suggests all 6 games were just poorly played by white, not that the particular move is a blunder. So it's just a pure coincidence.
Jan-24-07  OneArmedScissor: <Autoreparaturwerkbau> statement-
<a communication or declaration in speech or writing, setting forth facts, particulars, etc.> <something stated.>

You made a statement.

Jan-24-07  Shams: it's not so much that the move is bad, but that it's one bad players would be much more likely to *play*. so yes, I think the six losses are misleading.
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  playground player: This game is bizarre even for 1846!
Mar-17-09  dwavechess: 10/18 concur with Rybka 3 at 3 min. per move, rybka.abk book for Allgaier
Aug-14-09  GM Vaughan: game couldn't be from 1846 as Allgaier died in 1823 and operated the Turk circa the era 1804-1818
Oct-06-10  rich187113: 3.Nc3
Jun-06-12  BlackSheep: <Autoreparaturwerkbau> Aside from the fact its 6 years ago and youre probably long gone I love your two comments . The first one suffers from "cum hoc ergo propter hoc" you assume because Bxg8 was played in all 6 games this must be the cause of the loss , it might well be true but it maybe some other reason you havent examined (refer to <shams> post). So even if you were right and it was true you didnt reach the result through the right reasoning which while lucky this time will be your undoing in the future when you use the same faulty logic and then your second post tries to reconstruct (unsuccessfully I might add) what you said in the first as if we cant read it for ourselves , you amuse me .
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