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Michael Adams vs Hydra (Computer)
Adams - Hydra Match (2005), London ENG, rd 2, Jun-22
Sicilian Defense: Paulsen. Bastrikov Variation (B47)  ·  1/2-1/2



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Jun-22-05  fgh: <AdrianP>: On which page I can find it?
Jun-22-05  fgh: Okay, I have gone throught all the kibitzing from page 53 down to page 25. On page 25, I found the following two posts:

First: <euripides: It would be fun for White to sacrifice the exchange when the knight gets to d4, but I guess it's more fun if you're a spectator ....>

And second, some posts behind:

<AdrianP: <Euripides> I was thinking the same thing, that Mickey might be teeing up a positional exchange sac. Not the sort of thing Hydra would see coming. But I don't really see it here (not that I've ever been able to see it...!).>

I don't see, how:

1. You found that exchange sacrifice earlier, especially since you said that white might sacrifice the exchange, but it seems that you were talking about a <different> exchange sacrifice, and you did not mention any lines.

2. You did not offer any specific evaluation of the sacrifice, either that white is better, drawish, black is better. On the other hand, that is something I have done, I said it's pretty drawish.

As for the number of pages, and a post by <Catfriend>: There is nobody on my ignore list.

Jun-22-05  chesslovr: fgh:

who cares?

Jun-23-05  Anna Wrekzia: I think Mick gets $5,000 for the draw? 10k if he wins, 1/2 for a draw and zip for a loss?

bloody cheap sponsors!

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  lostemperor: Adams gets $10,000 for a draw and $25,000 for a win. So they are not so cheap as was to be expected for this kind of promotion matches.

This was one of my anti-draw proposal also. To have prize money for wins and draws. The difference between a draw and a win should be bigger in ordinary tournaments like Corus. Say $500 for a loss, $1000 for a draw and $5000 for a win.

Jun-23-05  Marvol: Then a new epidemic would spawn: 'grandmaster losses' (or wins). "Oops, did I play 1 g4 2 f3 and got mated by Qh4? Really did not see that coming! Strange, that this should happen to me now after yesterday's match against the same opponent that allowed me to win via 1 e4 e5 2 Nc3 Bc5 3 d3 Qh4 4 Nf3 Qxf2 mate."

The $64.000 question is, who would trust his opponent to let him win after having lost voluntary...

Jun-23-05  Chesschatology: <Marvol> - Superb!

Chess was once about a love of the game and proving you were better than you're opponent. These kinds of money schemes would ruin everything.

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  Ulhumbrus: If the final position was drawn- I say if, as Adams did not attempt to win it by Nb4 and Bf5-e6-d5 - the move 36 h5? seems to be the move which let the win slip. Adams needed the h pawn on h4 to support the option of g5 breaking into the king side, if the computer could succeed in keeping Adams' queen side pawn majority back by transferring the black pieces there- at the price of leaving the king side undefended. Sealing the king side by h5? gave in fact to the computer the freedom to transfer its pieces to the queen side and leave the king side undefended. The computer went wrong after that, too. It could have lost by not contenting itself by restraining Adams' queen side (eg by ...Qd6) but by playing instead ...a4 and then taking the exchange. The first mistake was 10...e5? passing the advantage to Adams. Apparently the computer cannot calculate the consequences of ...e5? far enough to assess it as a mistake. Yet with Black's c6 P on b7, ...e5 may not be so bad. This suggests one possible course for Adams: introduce a change in a position (...bxc6) which transforms move which would be reasonable otherwise (...e5) into a bad move.
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  Ulhumbrus: A correction to the last part of my previous: I meant to say: introduce a change in a position (..bxc6) which transforms a move which would be reasonable otherwise etc
Jun-23-05  mack: I thought I was never going to see the outside world again yesterday.
Jun-23-05  fenno: I find the variations beginning
46... Qxc4 47. bxc4 Rxb1 with 48... d3
interesting. But of course, they are not winning for black.
Jun-23-05  djmercury: 30. Bxd4 <0.00 30. Rdf1 Rf8 31. Qd2 Bg5 32. Qe1 Bb7 33. Bf3 Bc8 34. Bh5 Be6 35. Ba3 Qc8 36. Bg6 0.73> 33. ... Qd6 is stronger than Bc8. 0.3

I think that 29. f4xe5? was forced. Better was 29. Rdf1 Rf8 30. Qd3 Qd7 31. Bc3 Bd8 32. Bh1 Bb7 0.5 but I didn't find a way for a winning position for white.

Jun-23-05  delterp: Adams played extremely well. My only thought (and I am not an expert by any means) is that maybe he should have relocated his knight. It looks great on d5 but hits nothing other than f6. I liked 58. ♘e3! with the plan of swinging the knight to d3 as a blockader. This also fights for control of c5.
Jun-23-05  ranchogrande: good idea<delterp> but isnt it met by 58.-Qb4.. ? .Threatening QxQ or folowed by a bishopinvasion to c3-also aiming at the c4 target.Im ot sure,but so it looked to me in the diagrammed position.
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  AdrianP: <fgh> I was just being provocative... apologies for making you have to trawl through 50 pages of posts...!
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  InspiredByMorphy: 10. ...e5 was the novelty move. Opening Explorer
Jun-24-05  Catfriend: <fgh> A post by Catfriend? Pardon?
Jun-24-05  guybrush: Is the second game really a draw? Shredder evaluates the position to -1.50 in favour of Hydra!?
Jun-24-05  azaris: <guybrush> Black has no way in. Computers don't know much about chess.
Jun-28-05  Everett: This proved to be the only draw. What is Hydra's eval of this last position, for if it is not 0.00, then it is not acurate.
Jul-05-05  Knight13: Notice the White Knight stayed on d5 on move 26 until move 65! That's a long outpost.
Jul-05-05  capatal: <guybrush>doesn,t shredder,s evaluation reflect hydra,s advantage of being up rook for bishop?
Feb-27-06  alphastrike20: when he finally plays positional chess the match is over. perhaps the caro kann as black and the slav as white would have produced kasparovian results.
May-08-06  Confuse: <fgh> ahahahahaha good one.

ahem neway

hydra is a monster. we should name our children names to fight monsters, eg hercules, zeus, achilles, etc.

would make for more interesting commentary at least : )

Oct-06-13  kontoleon: he just play 3 moves with exchange sacrifice!
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