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| Aug-09-05 | | John Doe: When I looked at the game I though white missed 20. Rxf6 But after all is said and done, provided black doesn't fall for mate, white is down. |
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| Nov-13-06 | | Margulies: I liked 17.Bxh7+! Good for a puzzle!!
But, why not 20.Rxf6 ?? |
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| Nov-13-06 | | Confuse: flashy |
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Nov-13-06
 | | FSR: <Margulies> White's Q gets out of play and Black's pieces get very active after 20.Rxf6 Rxf6 21.Qh7+ Kf8 22.Qh8+ Ke7 23.Qxa8 (23.Qxg7+? Kd6 threatens both ...Rf1+ winning the Q, and ...Qxe3+) Qxe3+ 24.Kh1 Qxd2 (better than 24...Rxg6 25.Nf3, I think), forcing the awkward 25.Bh5. |
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| Nov-13-06 | | think: Why resign? White's extra pawn is isolated, and Black's king is in a much better position. |
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Nov-13-06
 | | al wazir: Why didn't white simply play 37. Rxe3 Nxe3 38. Re5 Nd1 39. Rxd5 Nxb2 40. Rxc5 ? And yes, if I had been black I would have made white win the endgame. Note that white conducted a mini-knight's tour on moves 28--35. You don't see that often. |
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| Nov-13-06 | | Olympos: I really do not understand why Black has resigned at that stage of the game! He could play for a draw. Maybe time pressure? |
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| Nov-13-06 | | gulliver: < think: Why resign? White's extra pawn is isolated, and Black's king is in a much better position. > I definitely agree with you, think.
It is white to move and I examined some of his possibilities. Black can put pressure on d4 with a knight move to f5, so maybe white should best play g4 to block the knight and push him out of play momentarily. but than the black king infiltrates , so 1 g4 ? is met with 1..Ke4 , driving the rook to b3 or c3( only moves - because the rook has to defend the knight on f3 ). Now the black knight should find a better square than h6 so let him manuevre to b5 first by jumping to f7 so 2. Rb3 is met with 2..Nf7. Now white cannot move the knight that guards the e pawn , nor the rook which guards the knight ! And a pawn push looks premature. SO WHITE CANNOT WIN ! |
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| Nov-13-06 | | black knight c6: g4 Ke4 Ne5 if you want to go that line. everything is protected in a circle - R protects P, P protects N, N protects R. XD i love those things.
I would move the knight straight away - either to e5 or backwards so it can help the kind get past the rook. Then get the rook to g3, kill blacks pawn and steamroll his two up the board while stopping blacks pawn with his pieces. Thats a much better proposition for a win don't you think? |
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| Nov-13-06 | | black knight c6: yeh and sorta forget about defending the d pawn, you just need the two on the side with no opposition really. is there anyway to edit posts on this site so I don't have to double post like I just did? >_< |
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| Nov-13-06 | | eaglewing: <al wazir: Why didn't white simply play 37. Rxe3 Nxe3 38. Re5 Nd1 39. Rxd5 Nxb2 40. Rxc5 ?> I think, Black should play 37. Rxe3 Nxe3 38. Re5 d4 and if 39. Rxc5 Rf8 40. Nf3 (or h3?) d3 would be dangerous. The line played forced Blacks Knight back to h6 and White dictated play. |
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| Nov-13-06 | | eaglewing: <gulliver: Endposition > You suggest g4 to prevent Nf5 and due to possible Ke4 and the disadvantages of g4 (g2 no more protects Nf3 and King restricted to 1st row) you conclude: No win. I would prefer Re3, prevents both, Nf5 and Ke4. It tends to cut off the Black King from the kingside, takes control of the square d5 (Pd4 advance option) and aims for getting to the Pg7 (via Re5-g5 or e7 or e8-g8). Maybe Re3 Kd6 Re5 Nf7 Re8 and White's rook behind the Black pawns means either conquering one or no pressure to d4 and 2nd row (Black might hold onto the pawn with moves Ra5 and g5). However, I would neither resign nor conclude 'no win possible' and accept a draw. More or deeper analysis anyone? |
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| Nov-13-06 | | Microbe: That was an excellent game. The flow of the knights tour. The clever tactics with move 17. It was just a lovely game to watch. |
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| Nov-13-06 | | gulliver: Thanks for the feedback! I looked over your suggestions. For ex: 1. Re3 Kc4 2. Re5 Ra6 3. Kf2 and black still has some play.
If 1. Ne5 Ke4 2. Rg3 Kxd4 seems risky for white |
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Nov-13-06
 | | Peligroso Patzer: <Margulies: I liked 17.Bxh7+! Good for a puzzle!! But, why not 20.Rxf6 ??>
Because Black plays 20. ... Rxf6 freeing the f8-square for his King after 21. Qh7+. White gets some additional checks and picks up the g7-pawn, but 20. Rxf6 is no more than a speculative exchange sacrifice. Being a pawn up already, White decided it was more prudent on his 20th move to defend his weakness at e3 by choosing 20. Rae1. |
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| Nov-13-06 | | thegoodanarchist: I just assumed Black lost on time. He was under attack for much of the game and probably was in severe time trouble before move 40. It is just speculation.... |
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| Nov-13-06 | | kevin86: Could black have suffered a temporary chess blindness-mistaken thinking that white's rook on d3 was a knight-and seeing the Nb4+ would fork the roon and king-resigned in panic? |
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Nov-13-06
 | | tamar: <Could black have suffered a temporary chess blindness-mistaken thinking that white's rook on d3 was a knight-and seeing the Nb4+ would fork the roon and king-resigned in panic?> Yes,he realized Legky was poised to capture his unguarded macaroon which was sitting outside the a5 square :) |
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| Nov-13-06 | | Petrocephalon: Why not 15..e4? |
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Nov-13-06
 | | Phony Benoni: If you're going to make a puzzle out of this, use the position before 16.dxe5, which sets up the painfully obvious 17.Bxh7+. In fact, I'll bet that's why Black resigned--once he missed 17.Bxh7+, he knew it wasn't going to be his day. |
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Nov-13-06
| | al wazir: <eaglewing>: Yes the line with 37. Rxe3 Nxe3 38. Re5 d4 is a *lot* more complicated than I first thought. I've spent a couple of hours analyzing it. I'm still not sure whether it wins or loses, but I'm unsurprised that white didn't play it. |
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| Nov-13-06 | | Albertan: Negky could have played the move Bxh7+!? on move 11 with a possible continuation being: 17.Bxh7+!? Kxh7 18.Qh5+ Kg8 (the only move) 19.Ng6 Qe8 20.f5 Bxg3 21.hxg3 exf5 however despite this position looking dangerous for Black this only is an equal position according to the program Junior 9. |
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| Nov-13-06 | | Albertan: Fingerov's 15th move appears to be a mistake. He should have played 15...e4 and gained equality after which play might have continued 16.Be2 Rb8 17.b3 Rb7 18.Ba6 Rc7 19.Bxc8 Rcxc8 = Legky missed a stronger idea on move 18 (involving a combination using an exchange sacrifice) If 18.Bc2+ after 18...Kg8 19.Rxf6! Rxf6 20.Qh7+ Kf7 21.Qh5+ Kg8 22.Bh7+ Kf8 (the only move) 23.Qxe5 leaving White up two pawns. |
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| Nov-13-06 | | black knight c6: someone put this through an engine and prove its a win for white.
Also Rd2... Probably good to swap them off |
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| Nov-13-06 | | Albertan: Another idea on move 22 is to play 22.Bf5 with this continuation possible: 22. Bf5 Bh5 23. g4 Bf7 24. Ng5 g6 25. Bd7 Be8 26.Be6+ Kg7 27. Rxf6 Rh8 (27...Rxf6? 28. Qh7+ Kf8 29. Qg8+ Ke7 30. Qg7+ Kd8 31.Qxf6+ Kc7 32. Rd1) 28. Qf2  Legky could have been up a bishop if this continuation had been played (starting on move 26): 26. g4 Rxg5 27.Qxg5 Bxg4 28. Rxf6 Qxf6 29. Qxg4
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