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Sep-14-11
 | | FSR: <Fred> I agree that the Colonel's remark was inappropriate. I also admit that I couldn't stop giggling. I doubt the Colonel has anything against gays, but assume he intended his remark as a way of needling AJ for his hostility toward gays. |
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| Sep-14-11 | | Robed.Bishop: At some point in time each poster will have to decide whether to individually (which is how posters act now) or as a group set limits. There is a sliding scale of propriety. At one end, take the high ground and don't lower yourself to his level; at the other end is an eye for an eye, the end justifies the means. Somewhere in the middle is, lower your bar as low as your opponent; in essence, your opponent sets the lower bar. As it happens, I agree with all of these positions.
As for the Colonel's remark, I have no opinion. I was surprised by it, but not shocked. No doubt kids hear and say worse daily at school. |
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| Sep-14-11 | | Colonel Mortimer: The fundamental point here is the obnoxiousness of one individual. Should the position be that he has free rein to insult and cause offence with impunity, then it is axiomatic that those, (and I believe there are quite a few judging by the 'iggy' list), who feel his obnoxious behaviour goes too far, have the same freedom to ridicule him. All the while respecting posting guideline no.3. |
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| Sep-14-11 | | Colonel Mortimer: However CG.com want to manage their business is not our concern. It's their website and they can do what they want with it - and I don't mean that in a negative way at all. I've heard that on some websites it's impossible to express some of things that are said here. If people get offended here they shouldn't have an internet connection. The internet is about opening minds not closing them. |
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| Sep-14-11 | | SimonWebbsTiger: Isn't it AJ's constant desire to promote himself which drives people spare? (Not to mention accusing people of cheating.) All those posts where he writes about how everybody and their dog has emailed him saying how wonderful his play was or how brilliant his website is; when in fact the games are embarrassing routes of 1700s and the website he is spamming this site for (don't forget he wants money) is written in diabolically crap English, poorly designed and basically a cut n paste theft of other's and a computer's work? AJ is a decent player. I doubt anyone denies that. If only there was less self-promotion and more humility on show. |
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| Sep-14-11 | | Colonel Mortimer: <SimonWebbsTiger:> I agree with your definition of what makes Goldsby's posts obnoxious. I wouldn't want to speak for everyone on this site though:) |
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| Sep-14-11 | | Robed.Bishop: <Colonel> I agree that what CG does is up to them. I've stated the sentiment myself. But what CG does is our concern to the extent we tolerate it. After all, CG wants our business and we want to interact. I daresay that it would be our concern if it became "impossible to express some of the things that are said here." We know people have left because of <AJ's> actions, and other may go as well. I've considered not renewing my premier membership in protest. Without members, CG does not exist. |
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| Sep-14-11 | | Colonel Mortimer: <Robed.Bishop:> Yes, the commercial element is what motivates any private company. At the same time what attaches people to this chess community has no bearing in any democratic way over the 'governance' of this site. If people don't like it here, they vote with their feet. It's not a sovereign state where the 'peoples' can effect governance. The <AJ> problem is not for us to decide - it's for cg.com to decide. If everyone renounced membership next year due to the <AJ> problem then it might be a different story. |
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Sep-14-11
 | | perfidious: <Robed.Bishop: At some point in time each poster will have to decide whether to individually (which is how posters act now) or as a group set limits..... ...At one end, take the high ground and don't lower yourself to his level....> There came a day when I'd seen enough, after taking this approach for years, so decided to fight back. It's understandable that you, or anyone else, should consider not renewing-I've been on the fence for a while now as to whether I should get a premium membership. While I should like to support CG, why should I, in essence, reward them for condoning this person, who while bringing some positive qualities, has so much negativity about him that it far outweighs any positives, same as <DrMAL>? |
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| Sep-14-11 | | rilkefan: <FSR>, here's a little-known song from a few years later: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyTu... |
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| Sep-14-11 | | adhitthana: <LIFE Master AJ: I personally am not so sure about (some) people's intentions, there is no doubt a few have been only interested in "stirring the pot."> First remove the ginormous tree from thine own eye and thou will seeest better to remove the tiny twig from the eye of thou brother. gospel of matti |
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Sep-14-11
| | FSR: <rilkefan> Thanks - great song! |
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Sep-14-11
| | perfidious: <rilkefan> Don't know that I ever heard that one, though I remember Donnie Iris. |
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| Sep-14-11 | | solskytz: <Perfidious> A good point about bad qualities outweighing the good! That echoes my own thoughts quite exactly |
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| Sep-14-11 | | Robed.Bishop: <Colonel>: I also agree that it is solely up to CG and that this isn't a democracy; I've said so before. Patience and persistence. I guess I would add, let's have fun doing it. |
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Sep-14-11
 | | OhioChessFan: I have considered dropping the site because of the anti-AJ crowd. I know that is shocking to you as you all backslap one another for being so wonderful. I am not the only person who has every bit of much of a problem with the anti-AJ crowd as with him. |
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| Sep-14-11 | | Colonel Mortimer: That wouldn't be such a loss. |
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| Sep-14-11 | | Robed.Bishop: <OCF> That doesn't shock me at all. Perhaps you haven't read my earlier posts. I understand not everyone agrees. I've also posted a solution for you. |
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| Sep-14-11 | | Robed.Bishop: <OCF> I should add that evev though you and
I don't agree, I have no desire to see you go. Diversity is important, and even if you disagree with me, you are not being insulting, etc. |
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Sep-15-11
 | | LIFE Master AJ: <OCF> Don't you know ... that to make anyone leave this site ... I truly believe that this is one of the main goals of this group. You win, (and make a positive contribution); ... ... ... ... by staying. |
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Sep-15-11
| | perfidious: <Little Despot: <OCF> Don't you know ... that to make anyone leave this site ... I truly believe that this is one of the main goals of this group.
You win, (and make a positive contribution); ... ... ... ... by staying.>
<OCF> is all right, and I second the sentiments of <Robed.Bishop> on this. As for you, however, in your present form, the chief positive contribution you'd make would be your departure, as the detritus you spew at every turn is wretched and far outdoes the positive. |
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Sep-15-11
| | LIFE Master AJ: <perp> It would surprise you to know that Daniel Freeman and I have exchanged many e-mails. He thinks we are a lot alike.
As for what I do or don't do for this site ... that should be left for an un-biased judge. (Which you - obviously!!! - are not.) What do you offer this site? As far as I can see, nothing but lies and negativity. Your departure would be a welcome relief ... not only to me, but to the people who actually run this site. And - you can take that to the bank. |
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| Sep-15-11 | | Colonel Mortimer: <LIFE Master AJ:> <He thinks we are a lot alike.> How does that validate your obnoxiousness? It doesn't - please shut the door as you leave. |
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| Sep-15-11 | | ProjectR: <Life Master AJ>@<perp> (surely you mean<perf> ?)..< What do you offer this site? as far as i can see nothing but lies and negativity>...AJ are you for real ?? I think that people have been saying the same about you for over 5yrs now ! You cant make posts like that then plead innocence,can you ? And i too have exchanged emails with mr freeman(not that id divulge what those emails contained with anyone)..but i do get a very different impression..You were described recently as "the elephant in the room",so just leave the room?
Il never address you again if you answer this..Why did you post on the main cg forum page on july 24th 2011 that id threatened to cross the pond and threatened your daughter with a Knife ?? What right thinking person says THAT ?? Your a walking lawsuit for this site |
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Sep-15-11
| | perfidious: <Prevaricator Extraordinaire: ....It would surprise you to know that Daniel Freeman and I have exchanged many e-mails.
He thinks we are a lot alike...>
It would amaze me to discover that this is true, given your penchant for name-dropping, when you're not playing your game of invoking various anonymous contacts, as if we're all supposed to be impressed. If the person with whom you supposedly have corresponded believes this, then what does that say about you, given your immensely low regard for me? It must be quite a comedown, I should think. <.....As for what I do or don't do for this site ... that should be left for an un-biased judge. (Which you - obviously!!! - are not.)...> My perspective is that of an experienced master, who isn't at all impressed by most of the rubbish you cite as 'analysis' and 'brilliant play'. To read your posts, one would think you're the second coming of Bobby Fischer or another such titan. As a tactician, you weren't bad, but have no understanding of positional chess at all. Get you outside of one of your favourite attacking set-ups, and you can't play against a strong opponent unless handed the game. <....What do you offer this site? As far as I can see, nothing but lies and negativity....> This is amusing indeed-if you had insight, maybe you'd understand the truth, but here, as in life, you'll never take a good look at yourself. As to the 'lies'-prove them, else your statement is libellous. <...Your departure would be a welcome relief ... not only to me, but to the people who actually run this site....> Nothing to stop them from banning me on some pretext or other, so I don't worry over that. Pity they allow your presence after all these years you've spent abusing others, driving away users at every turn. It's not my revenue, however. |
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