Members · Prefs · Laboratory · Collections · Openings · Endgames · Sacrifices · History · Search Kibitzing · Kibitzer's Café · Chessforums · Tournament Index · Players · Kibitzing
William Norwood Potter vs NN
"Potter's Field" (game of the day Mar-28-2006)
London (1870) (unorthodox), London ENG
Chess variants (000)  ·  1-0



Get this game explained with Decode Chess
find similar games 2 more W Potter/NN games
sac: 9.Nb5+ PGN: download | view | print Help: general | java-troubleshooting

TIP: You should register a free account to activate some of's coolest and most powerful features.

PGN Viewer:  What is this?
For help with this chess viewer, please see the Olga Chess Viewer Quickstart Guide.


Kibitzer's Corner
< Earlier Kibitzing  · PAGE 3 OF 3 ·  Later Kibitzing>
Jan-03-09  WhiteRook48: best to let the knight go so you're still up in material and can catch up in development 6...f5! knows the Q advantage
Jan-05-09  WhiteRook48: it might have been better to play 5...Nxc4
Jan-05-09  WhiteRook48: what's even funnier is white never took the hanging black queen!
Jan-06-09  WhiteRook48: analysis:
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4!
Hello f7.
3...Nf6 4. Nc3 Na5?! (NN moves a piece twice in the opening) 5. Nxe5 Nxe4? ...Nxc4 6. Nxc4 removes the bishop and white cannot zero in on f7. 6. d3 Nc5?? As in my earlier post, 6...f5 is better as NN takes advantage of the odds. Or does that run into the same mate? Okay, Be7. now white announces mate in 7 and NN is helpless.
Jan-20-09  WhiteRook48: why not 2...d5?
Jan-31-09  WhiteRook48: nice king hunt anyhow
Aug-17-09  solskytz: As Chernev put it, this is the rare game where the forced mating sequence is longer than the earlier part of the game.

That's quite a challenge, start down a queen and arrive in six moves to a situation where you have a forced mate in nine.

Premium Chessgames Member
  Phony Benoni: <solskytz> We had a recent example of the same idea as the game of the day: J Reinisch vs Traxler, 1890 Black plays eight moves, then forces mate in nine. While he didn't start down a queen, he did passively sacrifice her, which counts for something.
Aug-22-09  solskytz: Sure, a great one indeed.
Mar-19-11  Tigranny: No offense, but surely NN could've won had he/she developed his pieces better.
Aug-17-12  TheTamale: Absolutely horrible. I dare say most of us could have beaten this NN under the same conditions.
Aug-17-12  Robed.Bishop: <TheTamale> Given that white spotted NN a queen, I'd say the players recognized black's inferior knowledge of the game.
Jun-30-13  siegbert: 5... Nxc4 is to be recommended !!!
Dec-29-17  MariusDaniel: Interesting considering the odds!
Dec-14-18  thisisasign: Jeez, just exchange your pieces! You've got queen odds for God's sake.
Premium Chessgames Member
  Dionysius1: A made up game don't you think? The opponent is not named, and every move from 7 to 14 is SF's first choice. (cough cough)
Dec-14-18  ChessHigherCat: <Dionysius1> The explanation is simple: NN is Harry Potter, who's magically forcing his father to make all the winning moves as a birthday present.
Premium Chessgames Member
  Dionysius1: It had to be something like that :-)
Dec-14-18  thisisasign: <Dionysius1> I agree. Most likely a composed game.
Dec-15-18  vonKrolock: There's a forced mate in nine after NN's sixth move ("queenies",: players who receive the odds of a whole ♕, are supposed to be nonamers too... <SF> was not in charge in 1870, but a mensch, a strong player, like Potter, certainly could find the forced sequence.
Premium Chessgames Member
  Dionysius1: I take your point <vonKrolock>. As an alternative reason for thinking it's a composed game, I find it hard to believe anyone competent enough to play Potter even in a casual game would be silly enough to allow 7. ♗xf7+ and 8 ♗g5+, handing back the ♕ he was spotted only 8 moves earlier.
Dec-15-18  vonKrolock: <Dionysius1> You're welcome! ... And who never played like NN ?! ...In my first game ever, I answered 1.e4 with 1...a5 and 2...Ra6, losing the exchange for a start. Later I allowed a family check perfectly defensible, and lost the Queen. And of course played on until the <#> ...
Dec-15-18  vonKrolock: <handing back the ♕> And Potter followed the <most substantial hunting first> principle...
Premium Chessgames Member
  Dionysius1: No no. In your first game you wouldn't have been offered the chance to play someone of the strength of Potter.

So NN would have had to be at least a competent club player. And they don't allow {7. Bf7+). Even in 1880 players knew to keep an eye on the KBP :-).

Dec-15-18  vonKrolock: Yes, he was not a master-level player - but at least a decent amateur, with enough patience to give some advices (I refused to take back moves...). Then I went after a couple of books, and prepared myself for a revenge in the first occasion. He politely declined the challenge, and picked his son instead (in his early teens he was a couple of years older than me) - who spanked me twice, with White and with Black. Well, this was the world of yesterday. Long before the computers.
Jump to page #    (enter # from 1 to 3)
search thread:   
< Earlier Kibitzing  · PAGE 3 OF 3 ·  Later Kibitzing>

NOTE: Create an account today to post replies and access other powerful features which are available only to registered users. Becoming a member is free, anonymous, and takes less than 1 minute! If you already have a username, then simply login login under your username now to join the discussion.

Please observe our posting guidelines:

  1. No obscene, racist, sexist, or profane language.
  2. No spamming, advertising, duplicate, or gibberish posts.
  3. No vitriolic or systematic personal attacks against other members.
  4. Nothing in violation of United States law.
  5. No cyberstalking or malicious posting of negative or private information (doxing/doxxing) of members.
  6. No trolling.
  7. The use of "sock puppet" accounts to circumvent disciplinary action taken by moderators, create a false impression of consensus or support, or stage conversations, is prohibited.

Please try to maintain a semblance of civility at all times.

Blow the Whistle

See something that violates our rules? Blow the whistle and inform a moderator.

NOTE: Please keep all discussion on-topic. This forum is for this specific game only. To discuss chess or this site in general, visit the Kibitzer's Café.

Messages posted by Chessgames members do not necessarily represent the views of, its employees, or sponsors.
All moderator actions taken are ultimately at the sole discretion of the administration.

This game is type: UNORTHODOX. Please report incorrect or missing information by submitting a correction slip to help us improve the quality of our content.

<This page contains Editor Notes. Click here to read them.>

Featured in the Following Game Collections[what is this?]
w15 (remove white queen)
from Checkmate miniatures by RookHook
Game 5
from 1000 Best Short Games of Chess by nasmichael
it took that long for me to get that as an odds game
from Odds games #2 by WhiteRook48
Potter gave Queen odds and announced a forced mate at move 7!!!
from Formula7's favorite games by Formula7
Giving Q odds still produces K walk
from Leearn Checkmates on the 3rd/6th Outer File by trh6upsz
Giving Q odds still produces K walk
from Leearn Checkmates on the 3rd/6th Outer File by fredthebear
It takes style to lose like this
from The Best Of The Worst by TheAlchemist
Potter gave Q odds, announced a forced mate at move 7!!!
from y1870s - 1890s Classic Chess Principles Arise by fredthebear
15 moves
from Chess Miniatures, Collection IV by wwall
white wins with no queen
from amtr's favourite games by amtr
White gives Queen odds and mates in 15!!...(GOTD)
from Collections in Idleness 3 by Trigonometrist
Winning Chess Strategy by Yasser Seirawan
from Short games by masters by Southernrun
Game 5
from 1000 Best Short Games of Chess by Goatsrocknroll23
long forced mate
from favorite games by ajax333221

Home | About | Login | Logout | F.A.Q. | Profile | Preferences | Premium Membership | Kibitzer's Café | Biographer's Bistro | New Kibitzing | Chessforums | Tournament Index | Player Directory | Notable Games | World Chess Championships | Opening Explorer | Guess the Move | Game Collections | ChessBookie Game | Chessgames Challenge | Store | Privacy Notice | Contact Us

Copyright 2001-2021, Chessgames Services LLC