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William Norwood Potter vs NN
"Potter's Field" (game of the day Mar-28-2006)
London (1870) (unorthodox), London ENG
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Jan-03-09  WhiteRook48: best to let the knight go so you're still up in material and can catch up in development 6...f5! knows the Q advantage
Jan-05-09  WhiteRook48: it might have been better to play 5...Nxc4
Jan-05-09  WhiteRook48: what's even funnier is white never took the hanging black queen!
Jan-06-09  WhiteRook48: analysis:
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4!
Hello f7.
3...Nf6 4. Nc3 Na5?! (NN moves a piece twice in the opening) 5. Nxe5 Nxe4? ...Nxc4 6. Nxc4 removes the bishop and white cannot zero in on f7. 6. d3 Nc5?? As in my earlier post, 6...f5 is better as NN takes advantage of the odds. Or does that run into the same mate? Okay, Be7. now white announces mate in 7 and NN is helpless.
Jan-20-09  WhiteRook48: why not 2...d5?
Jan-31-09  WhiteRook48: nice king hunt anyhow
Aug-17-09  solskytz: As Chernev put it, this is the rare game where the forced mating sequence is longer than the earlier part of the game.

That's quite a challenge, start down a queen and arrive in six moves to a situation where you have a forced mate in nine.

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  Phony Benoni: <solskytz> We had a recent example of the same idea as the game of the day: J Reinisch vs Traxler, 1890 Black plays eight moves, then forces mate in nine. While he didn't start down a queen, he did passively sacrifice her, which counts for something.
Aug-22-09  solskytz: Sure, a great one indeed.
Mar-19-11  Tigranny: No offense, but surely NN could've won had he/she developed his pieces better.
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  TheTamale: Absolutely horrible. I dare say most of us could have beaten this NN under the same conditions.
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  Robed.Bishop: <TheTamale> Given that white spotted NN a queen, I'd say the players recognized black's inferior knowledge of the game.
Jun-30-13  siegbert: 5... Nxc4 is to be recommended !!!
Dec-29-17  MariusDaniel: Interesting considering the odds!
Dec-14-18  thisisasign: Jeez, just exchange your pieces! You've got queen odds for God's sake.
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  Dionysius1: A made up game don't you think? The opponent is not named, and every move from 7 to 14 is SF's first choice. (cough cough)
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  ChessHigherCat: <Dionysius1> The explanation is simple: NN is Harry Potter, who's magically forcing his father to make all the winning moves as a birthday present.
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  Dionysius1: It had to be something like that :-)
Dec-14-18  thisisasign: <Dionysius1> I agree. Most likely a composed game.
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  vonKrolock: There's a forced mate in nine after NN's sixth move ("queenies",: players who receive the odds of a whole ♕, are supposed to be nonamers too... <SF> was not in charge in 1870, but a mensch, a strong player, like Potter, certainly could find the forced sequence.
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  Dionysius1: I take your point <vonKrolock>. As an alternative reason for thinking it's a composed game, I find it hard to believe anyone competent enough to play Potter even in a casual game would be silly enough to allow 7. ♗xf7+ and 8 ♗g5+, handing back the ♕ he was spotted only 8 moves earlier.
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  vonKrolock: <Dionysius1> You're welcome! ... And who never played like NN ?! ...In my first game ever, I answered 1.e4 with 1...a5 and 2...Ra6, losing the exchange for a start. Later I allowed a family check perfectly defensible, and lost the Queen. And of course played on until the <#> ...
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  vonKrolock: <handing back the ♕> And Potter followed the <most substantial hunting first> principle...
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  Dionysius1: No no. In your first game you wouldn't have been offered the chance to play someone of the strength of Potter.

So NN would have had to be at least a competent club player. And they don't allow {7. Bf7+). Even in 1880 players knew to keep an eye on the KBP :-).

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  vonKrolock: Yes, he was not a master-level player - but at least a decent amateur, with enough patience to give some advices (I refused to take back moves...). Then I went after a couple of books, and prepared myself for a revenge in the first occasion. He politely declined the challenge, and picked his son instead (in his early teens he was a couple of years older than me) - who spanked me twice, with White and with Black. Well, this was the world of yesterday. Long before the computers.
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