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Peicho Chonev Peev vs Aldo Haik
Bucharest (1979), Bucharest ROU, rd 10
Old Indian Defense: Ukrainian Variation (A54)  ·  0-1

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Nov-09-06
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  An Englishman: Good Evening: Diabolical. Easy, but diabolical.
Nov-09-06
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  sfm: Simple and effective - but easy to overlook because the position looks so everyday-like and trivial.
Nov-09-06  igst: to chessmoron:
12. gxf3
...
13. Bh3#
Nov-09-06  who: <al wazir> are you kidding?

<After 11...Bh3. If 12. gxh3 then 12...Qf3 13. O-O Nxd3> 14.dxc6 bxc6 15.Nc1 Qxd1 16.Nxd1 and black has compensation for the material deficit but is certainly not as winning as in the game.

And in your second line the material is equal though black has a positional advantage.

In the line played black has both material and positional advantages!!

Nov-09-06
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  Jonathan Sarfati: 11 ... Qf3! gave Black a won position: material up, bishop pair, exposed White king. White had to bail out to a hopeless endgame.

I don't think much of 5 ... d5 though -- seems rash to lose a tempo and give away a pawn.

Nov-09-06  prinsallan: Dodgy. And I missed badly ;/
Nov-09-06  ganesh957: Who managed to calculate the whole game? ;)
Nov-09-06  percyblakeney: Qf3 jumped out quickly, and I didnt even bother to analyse what would happen in detail. It felt as if it would end up with more than just a pawn up and a huge positional advantage though.
Nov-09-06
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  lilfoohk: Bg4?

Is that worth consideration?

Nov-09-06  greensfield: I think I got it. Trying the sac <11...Qf3> stood out because if white captures the Queen <12. gxf3> Black has mate with <12...Nxf3+ 13. Kf1 Bh3#> White alternatives <12. O-O> leaves Black with a Bishop for Pawn up,<12. Bc2, Bb1 or Nc1> leaves Black a Pawn up.
Nov-09-06  greensfield: Also I think its better if White on move 11 develops the Knight to f3 rather than e2 as now 11...Qf3 dosn't work.
Nov-09-06  Chessire Cat: What happens after: 8. Qa4+, Nc3, 9. dxNc3, 9. BxN+, bxB, 10.QxB, cxb2+?
Nov-09-06  zb2cr: Missed this one completely--I didn't even think of 11. ... Qf3. Guess I'm trained too much to look for active sacrifices; e.g. those which involve check & capture.
Nov-09-06  lvlaple: Okay, that was pretty.

Had I played it in a game I would've just started laughing.

Nov-09-06  YouRang: I found this unusually fast for a Thursday. I noticed the particularly good placement of black's knight and LS bishop. If the g-pawn is removed, it's mate in 2: Nf3+ ...Kf1 Bh3#.

Of course, this observation makes it obvious that the queen can venture to f3 without fear of ...gxf3. There, it theatens to win a piece, and ends up scoffing a pawn and initiating a strong attack.

Nov-09-06
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  kevin86: I picked this one out very quickly. The queen is immune on penalty of mate in two and she forks the pawn at g2 and the bishop at d3.

I see a flaw in the sacrifice explorer system---here a sac is offered (and refused) and it doesn't count, but a sacrifice that is recovered very quickly-often with interest or with mate-is included.

My compromise would be to call it "a most unusual fork"

Nov-09-06
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  al wazir: <who: <al wazir> are you kidding?> OK, so maybe I claimed more for my move than it deserved. But hey! it was election day and I was pumped.
Nov-09-06
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  playground player: I liked Bg4, but Qf3 is the kind of move that makes your opponent suggest a game of Monopoly.
Nov-09-06  thesonicvision: <it's very interesting that the sacrifice explorer doesn't register this one. I know it's an offer and doesn't capture anything and W declines, but it's still a sac!>

uh...no. it's a short tactical
combination that leads to mate in two.
that's not a sac.
the REAL sac is the fact that black is
down a pawn in the initial position
(move 11). although down a pawn,
black's position is clearly superior
and manages to convert this deficit
into a pawn advantage!

Nov-09-06  Marmot PFL: Didn't see Qf3 at all. Black has a number of other promising moves, but nothing so forcing. maybe I've missed that sac in some of my own games from not looking for it.
Nov-09-06  pggarner: Maybe it's just sour grapes on my part, since I couldn't find Haik's amazing move, but since when is one pawn the "overwhelming material advantage" we're supposed to look for in these puzzles?
Nov-09-06  mugmon777: ummm why not just take the black queen?
Nov-09-06
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  Jonathan Sarfati: In the hands of a master, all the advantages gained by 11...Qf3 were overwhelming.
Nov-09-06  YouRang: <pgarner> I still think the 11...Qf3 was worth more than a pawn. To be more precise, black was down a pawn at move 11, and with 11...Qf3 he managed to scoop up white's g and f pawns to go UP one pawn.

However, it also blew the white king out into the open, which for much of the rest of the game gave black the initiative. Black parlayed this into winning yet another pawn on move 31, and the 3 connected passed pawns soon convinced white to surrender.

All that to say, 11...Qf3 was clearly the decisive move in this game, giving black an advantage that could be fairly called 'winning'.

Nov-09-06  YouRang: <mugmon777: ummm why not just take the black queen?> You mean 12. gxf3?

Then the black knight takes the pawn on f3 with check, forcing the white king to f1. Next, black's bishop goes to h6, which is checkmate.

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