| Jun-28-07 | | Calli: Thanks for submitting the game! Be careful of the names! One of the White team is Lionel Adalbert Bagration Felix Kieseritsky If at all possible try to match the spelling used at CG. Also "M M" is just antiquated plural for Misters and not initials. i.e. Misters Kieseritsky and Kling... |
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| Jun-29-07 | | sneaky pete: M = monsieur. MM = messieurs.
The note between {} in the pgn interferes with the MyChess viewer. The Chess-Player's Handbook (also from 1847) has lots more (undated) games featuring Messrs Kieseritzky, Perigal, Popert, Capt Evans and others, including various consultation games, that are still missing from this database. |
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| Jun-29-07 | | Calli: Staunton being a noted Shakespeare scholar and author, the Chess Player's Chronicle (many are available on Google books) is a bit disappointing. He doesn't write very much! Mainly just games... |
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Jun-29-07
 | | keypusher: <Calli> I've read the Chess-Player's Handbook and the 1851 tournament book...count your blessings. <I read Staunton so you don't have to!> |
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| Jul-01-07 | | biglo: Calli / Sneaky Pete - thanks for clearing that up. I didn't know what the M meant |
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| Jul-01-07 | | Calli: <M = monsieur. MM = messieurs.> Didn't think Staunton would write in French, but perhaps <sneaky P> is correct. The English is Mr. and Messrs. Staunton probably "M M" because its shorter than "Messrs." Musty old annotations are messier than mussy musk ox. :-> |
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Jul-01-07
 | | Open Defence: those who think the English notation with stuff like P-K4 N-KB3 etc is confusing should read the Chess Player's Handbook by Staunton.. there the notation is a verbose Pawn to King's Fourth and Knight to King Bishop's Third... Queen to her square ... hehehehe |
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| Jul-01-07 | | biglo: Its even worse than that <Open Defence> because in piece odds games Staunton often says Black had the first move. |
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| Jul-01-07 | | sneaky pete: <Calli> British and American players were Mr. (unless they happened to be Capt) and French players M., but for the plural Staunton always used Messrs. So, Game I from Games Illustrative of Captain Evans' Gambit, is between Messrs. Cochrane and Staunton and specified as White (Mr. S.) Black (Mr.C.). Game II from the same section is between Mr. Horwitz and M. Kieseritzky. The Germans are also Mr. and not Herr, as one might expect. Lasa, who I believe was Baron Tassilo etc, gets no prefix at all and has his name misspelt as Laza, while Hanstein is reduced to an initial. So, on page 312, we find a game between V. H. der Laza and Mr. H. - of the Berlin Chess Club - specified as White (V. H. d. L.) Black (Mr. H.). Thanks to this database I know this is a game from 1841 (between Lasa and Hanstein), but Staunton never dates any game. The best you get is (like on page 216) "Played some years ago between Mr. Staunton and one of the finest players in Europe - White (Mr. S.) Black (Mr. -). Of course "one of the finest" plays terribly bad. If I have nothing better to do, I'll try to find out tomorrow if cg.com has the game, I'm curious about the identity of Mr. -; it's bedtime in Europe. |
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| Jul-02-07 | | Calli: <biglo> In those days, a player moving first could chose to play Black pieces set up where the White pieces usually are. Harrwitz, for instance always had the Black pieces during his match with Morphy. In modern books they usually ignore this and say the player had "White" when moving first. |
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| Oct-08-10 | | AndreMorais: Not much of a game, uh? |
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| Oct-08-10 | | kevin86: A crazy one-black's attack is very strong. Too bad it's not the Evans Gambit... |
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| Oct-08-10 | | Chessmensch: Was this a tag team match? |
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| Oct-08-10 | | weisyschwarz: Of Captains and Klings. |
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| Oct-08-10 | | ROO.BOOKAROO: So many of these 19th-century games are so disappointing. Nothing to learn, nothing to admire. The principles of development so ignored, so many unconscionable moves: 8.c3,
11. Qxb7, and keeping the queen stuck in trap zone, 13. e5 ? for what purpose? 15. Rxe6+ seems nonsensical, etc...Meanwhile Nb1 and Ra1 have never moved. What's the point of this game? |
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| Oct-08-10 | | nimh: Mid-19th century games are instructive and valuable to masters of the next era and modern day beginners. The quality of game doesn't matter much; bad one can teach us what not to do, good ones how it is done properly. |
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| Oct-15-10 | | lionel15: I like playing throuh old games. The move and ideas are basic and results more stark. but then I was playing my best chess in the 50's and 60'6 |
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