| May-10-09 | | David2009: This NN vs P ending was duly won White on move 140. But at move 81 there was a beautiful mate in 13 which could have been a double first for the data base: a win of KNN versus bare K, and a win of KNN versus N
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81 Nc5 e4 82 Kc3 Ka2 83 Na4 Kb1 84 Nb2 Kc1 85 Nbc4 Kb1 86 Kd2 Ka2 87 Kc2 Ka1 88 Nd6 Ka2
89 Nb5 Ka1 90 Nd1 e3 91 Nc3 e2 92 Nd4 e1=N+ 93 Kb3 Nc2?! 94 Nxc2#
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Black's moves are all reasonable with a final N sacrifice (hoping for Kxc2??). White can mate less elegantly in 11 not 13 but who's counting? |
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Mar-04-10
 | | FSR: Couldn't Black have claimed a draw by virtue of the 50-move rule? Or had FIDE made an exception to the rule to give the superior side more time to try to win NN v. P? |
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| Jul-08-10 | | cadwallon: No, Black couldn't have claimed a draw, since at no point does 50 moves pass without a man being taken or a pawn being moved. It looks like 100...e4 may have been a bit of a blunder, though... |
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Jul-08-10
 | | Phony Benoni: <FSR> Wikipedia's article on the fifty-move rule (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50-mov...) states that 100 moves were allowed for certain endgames (one of which was NN v. P) from 1984-1989, and 75 moves from 1989-1992. This game was played in 1992, but I'm not sure if this was before or after the rule went back to a strict 50-move limit. <cadwallon> is quite right the 50-move rule does not apply here, but since Black could have claimed after White's 102nd the move <100...e4> does seem incomprehensible--unless the tournament was being played with the 75-move limit. |
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| Feb-25-14 | | whiteshark: < It looks like 100...e4 may have been a bit of a blunder, though...> best move acc. to tablebases. it loses in 45 moves (compared to 'second best' moves 100... Kf8 or 100...Kh6 which would lose in 25 moves). |
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Apr-27-24
 | | OhioChessFan: Like the pun... |
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Apr-27-24
 | | An Englishman: Good Evening: Very good pun. At one point, it appeared that White killed off his own winning chances, but granted a reprieve, his win experienced a rebirth... ...and that's enough tortured metaphors for tonight. |
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Apr-27-24
 | | Korora: All Sikovsky can do in the end is Queen the ♙ while waiting to be checkmated. |
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Apr-27-24
| | FSR: <whiteshark: < It looks like 100...e4 may have been a bit of a blunder, though...> best move acc. to tablebases. it loses in 45 moves (compared to 'second best' moves 100... Kf8 or 100...Kh6 which would lose in 25 moves).> But if the fifty moves would have run out in two more moves it was a huge mistake to move a pawn and thus reset the 50-move clock. But apparently no one knows whether the applicable rule at the time was 50 moves or 75 moves. |
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| Apr-27-24 | | Cecco: Even if the moves were 75 at the time, it seems that with 100. ... e4 black missed the opportunity to greatly complicate things for his opponent. The counting of moves started with 52. ... Kf3 and after 100. Ng5 had reached 48. This engine, e.g., after 100. ... Kh6 indicates a follow up of more than 20 moves without an interruption of the counting. |
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Apr-27-24
 | | FS16: At the end of https://www.janko.at/Retros/Glossar..., it is stated that the rule changes at the 1992 FIDE congress were to be applied starting Jan 1 1993. |
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| Apr-27-24 | | Allderdice83: If Black had played to mate, Black could have been mated with a queen against two knights! Checking with Stockfish 16 Lite -- 100 ... e4 is the best move, and there is no forced win. Black has to blunder to lose. Haven't figured out where that occurred. |
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| Apr-27-24 | | Refused: Just wanted to express my appreciation of that pun. Most puns here are not great, but that one is excellent. Kudos to whoever came up with it. |
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Kibitzing
sac: 29.Rb5