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Magnus Carlsen vs Wang Yue
"Wang and a Prayer" (game of the day Mar-10-2009)
Linares (2009), Linares ESP, rd 10, Mar-02
Slav Defense: General (D10)  ·  0-1

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Mar-10-09  Dredge Rivers: These are the kind of games Carlsen needs to stop losing if he's to improve. With a little more consistency, he would have won Linares.

What irony. 41 of the 56 games at Linares were draws, and what Carlsen need were a few MORE of them!

Mar-10-09  Creg: <WhiteRook48> Falling?! I don't think so. Magnus is 18 at this time (Feb 2009) and he didn't start taking chess seriously until he was about 8 years old. That's only 10 years!!! Falling?? No, more like one of the greatest ascents we have ever seen. He is playing with the best, drawing, winning and losing with the best. He is so close to a dominant rein in chess that it is palpable. All he needs is a little more time, i.e. maturity, when his game will even out, and then it will begin.
Mar-10-09  LaFreak II: <Eyal: <LaFreak II: Eyal,you overlooked [26.g3 Nxg3 27.Nxd5] 27...Ne2+ and mate was inevitable>

No, it wasn't - after 28.Kg2 Black doesn't seem to have anything better than draw by perpetual. You can check out Dennis Monokroussos' extensive analysis of the position after 25...Qe5 at http://chessmind.powerblogs.com/fil...; Thank you bro,i overlooked 28.Kg2 and yes it was perpetual.Thanks for the link.I just analyzed the game with my chess board.Very bright analysis by Dennis Monokroussos..

Mar-11-09
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  al wazir: <cydmd>: You're right, 41. Kc4 doesn't save white.
Jan-12-10  ILikeFruits: big mac...
wang of...
big wangs...
won...
well done...
Aug-12-10  freakclub: A tremendous win by Wang Yue. A great king hunt resulting to material gain and a won endgame.
Jan-18-16  onur87: im very happy gm wang yues play as a slav fan. pleasure to watch. and 24..rb6 is lovely.
Apr-19-20
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  An Englishman: Good Evening: Thought I recognized this game. Still, 6/6 with one already known is about the best weekly score one can expect at my age.
Apr-19-20  Walter Glattke: Good morning, material is equal, could follow 24.-Rxb6 25.Nxb6 Nxe3 26.fxe3 Qxe3+ 27.Rf2 Qg3 28.Kf1 Re8 29.Qf3 Qe5 (Qh2 g4!) 30.Rfe2 Qa1+ 31.Kf2 Bc5+ 32.Kg3 but not strong enough. 27.-Bc5 28.Nd7! 27.-Qxb6, the best I found. The "chinese Snooker" was 25.Qe5 in the match then.
Apr-19-20  scormus: Oh dear, my virtual board isn't working today. By eye I went for the <Walter Glattke> line, as far as 4 moves anyway. I wondered about 24 and 25 .... Qe5 but thought W could defend. Engine time now
Apr-19-20
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  agb2002: White threatens Rxd5.

The position suggests the maneuver 24... Rxb6 25.Nxb6 Nxe3 26.fxe3 Qxe3+ but I can't find a winning line.

Apr-19-20  Brenin: The first five moves were not hard to find, but after that I was floundering, as White seems to have too many possible escape routes to calculate. OTB I would have played it, and crossed my fingers that my opponent wouldn't find the best defence. I doubt whether I would have found 30 ... Bc7.
Apr-19-20  goodevans: I'm a little mystified. Like several others I went with <24... Rxb6 25.Nxb6 Nxe3 26.fxe3 Qxe3+>, which SF reckons is a draw. But SF also reckons Wang Yue's <25...Qe5> is a draw after <26.g3>. What am I missing here?
Apr-19-20
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  OhioChessFan: Is 45...Qxa2 too prosaic?
Apr-19-20  Brenin: <goodevans> I agree: after 24 ... Rxb6 25 Nxb6 Qe5 26 g3 Nxg3 27 Nxd5, Black seems to have nothing better than perpetual check with 27 ... Ne2+ 28 Kg2 Qg5+, or regaining material equality but running out of attack with 27 ... Nxf1.
Apr-19-20  goodevans: <OhioChessFan> I think 45...Qxa2 would have turned out much the same as the game. With the two Ks on opposite sides of the board and with white having two Rs vs. black's one Q, any play by black against white's Q-side pawns is likely to lead to the liquidation of all four Q-side pawns.

Ultimately it was black's K-side pawns that decided things. That was probably going to be the case with or without the Q-side pawns on the board.

Apr-19-20
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  Messiah: Ouch! :-)
Apr-19-20
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  chrisowen: Serious business bad bb2 no?
Apr-19-20  RandomVisitor: As pointed out earlier, 26.g3 is a drawing line.

Can white still get away with playing 26.Re1?

...after 26.Re1 the game continued 26...Qh2+ 27.Kf1 Qh1+ 28.Ke2 Qxg2

white can now try 29.Kd3 but play favors black:


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Stockfish_20041815_x64_modern:

<63/107 3:22:16 -0.51 29.Kd3 Nh4 30.Qg4 Nf3 31.Ke2 Qxg4 32.hxg4 Nxd2 33.Kxd2> f5 34.gxf5 Rxf5 35.Ke2 Bc5 36.Nd7 Be7 37.Rd1 Kf7 38.Nb6 Ke6 39.Rc1 Bd8 40.Rc6+ Ke7 41.f4 d4 42.Nc4 dxe3 43.Kxe3 h5 44.Ke4 Rf6 45.Rc5 h4 46.Rg5 Kf8 47.Rh5 Rh6 48.Rxh6 gxh6

Apr-19-20  Brenin: <RandomVisitor>: After 29 Kd3 Black could also try Qe4+ 30 Ke2 Bc5, e.g. 31 Nxd5 Qg2, threatening Ng3+, and setting the trap 32 Nf6+ gxf 33 Rg1?? Ng3+ 34 Kd3 Qe4 mate. This line avoids the exchange of Qs, so with White's K stuck in the middle it might offer Black more practical chances.
Apr-19-20  RandomVisitor: <Brenin>Interesting. I took a quick look and it scores very close to the line below. The machine might ultimately prefer Bf4 to Bc5.

Stockfish tells you what it 'thinks' is the best line, it does not tell you why it rejected all the other competing lines. In fact it might switch to your line as best if the Nh4 line below contines dropping in favorable score.

Stockfish can find no better line than below, and it is almost playable:


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Stockfish_20041815_x64_modern:

<64/108 4:33:14 -0.31 29.Kd3 Nh4 30.Qg4 Nf3 31.Ke2 Qxg4 32.hxg4 Nxd2 33.Kxd2> Rd8 34.Kd3 Bc5 35.Na4 Be7 36.Nb6 g6 37.Rd1 Bc5 38.Na4 Ba7 39.Rc1 h6 40.Rc6 Bb8 41.Ra6 Kg7 42.Ke2 h5 43.gxh5 gxh5 44.Kf3 d4 45.exd4 Rd5 46.Nb2 h4 47.Kg2 Bc7 48.Nc4 Rxd4

Apr-19-20  catlover: The pun requires a southern accent.
Apr-19-20  RandomVisitor: <Brenin><After 29 Kd3 Black could also try Qe4+ 30 Ke2 Bc5, e.g. 31 Nxd5 Qg2, threatening Ng3+, and setting the trap 32 Nf6+ gxf 33 Rg1?? Ng3+ 34 Kd3 Qe4 mate. This line avoids the exchange of Qs, so with White's K stuck in the middle it might offer Black more practical chances.>

After 29.Kd3 Qe4+ 30.Ke2 and now avoiding repetition or transposition into Nh4 lines we have:

<58/84 46:05 -0.13 30...Bc7 31.Nxd5 Ng3+ 32.fxg3 Qg2+ 33.Kd3 Qxd5+ 34.Kc2 Qf5+ 35.e4 Qxh3 36.Qf3 Qxg3 37.Qxg3 Bxg3> 38.Rg1 Rc8+ 39.Kb1 Bf4 40.Rd5 Ra8 41.Kc2 g5 42.Kd3 Ra6 43.Rf5 Kf8 44.Ke2 h6 45.Kf3 a4 46.Rb5 axb3 47.axb3 Kg7 48.Rxb4 Rd6 49.Rb1 Rd3+

Apr-19-20  mel gibson: The computer is showing a draw so
this is not really a puzzle.
Apr-19-20  Brenin: <mel gibson: The computer is showing a draw so this is not really a puzzle.> Why does a puzzle have to result in a forced win? It could be to find a draw in an apparently lost position. Here it is to develop an attack which, although not leading to a forced win, presents the opponent with a defensive problem too difficult to solve OTB. The fact that best play leads to no more than a slight advantage for Black doesn't alter the fact that this is a very instructive puzzle.
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