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| Jan-22-11 | | acirce: Yes, Kasparov had played the Scotch in all of his three latest World Championship matches - against Karpov (1990), Short (1993) and Anand (1995), plus occasionally and with very good results between the matches including two times in 2000. It's actually interesting that he didn't want to play it against Kramnik, and rather switched to the English and the Catalan when he encountered problems with the Berlin Wall. The only thing I remember him saying about it was that the Scotch was more vulnerable than the Ruy. Well, we didn't really need Kasparov to tell us that, and it doesn't answer the question why he thought it good enough against Karpov, Anand and Short but not against Kramnik. |
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| Jan-22-11 | | Eyal: <Hesam7: There is a number of moves that have been suggested for White instead of 32. Kg4?, I think all of them lose [...] [2] 32. Kg3 Qe1+> How is Black winning here? |
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| Jan-23-11 | | Hesam7: <Eyal: <Hesam7: There is a number of moves that have been suggested for White instead of 32. Kg4?, I think all of them lose [...] [2] 32. Kg3 Qe1+> How is Black winning here?>
Now going through my analysis maybe winning is too strong a word. Here is what I came up with: 32. Kg3 Qe1+: 
click for larger view[1] 33. Kh3 Nd1 34. Qh8+ <Black is threatening the fork on f2> 34. ... Re8 35. Qf6+ Qe7 36. Qxe7 Rxe7 37. Kg3 <finally defending the fork! Note that 37. Rg1 is in fact worse because the White king will be too far away from the battle> 37. ... Re3+ <securing the f2 square for the knight> 38. Kf4 Re1 39. a6 Nf2 40. Rg1 Ra1! <40. ... Nd3+? 41. Kg5 would be a mistake> 41. Kf3 Nd3 42. g4 <pins can be annoying!> 42. ... Nc5 43. Kf2 Nxa6 <and now both endgames: 44. Bxa6 Rxa6 and 44. Bc4 Rxg1 45. Kxg1 Nc5 are lost for White since he has two weaknesses: d5-pawn and Black's future K-side passed pawn.> [2] 33. Kg4 Qd1+ <33. ... Nd1 does not work this time: 34. Qh8+ Re8 35. Qf6+ Qe7 36. Qxe7 Rxe7 37. a6! White does not care about losing the rook! 37. ... Nf2+?? 38. Kf3! and White is now winning. The difference is that from h3 it takes the White king two moves to get to f3 while from g4 it only takes one move. Initially I had 33. ... h5+ as the winning line but after 34. Kg5! (34. Kh3? Nd1 transposes to line [1] where Black has made an extra ... h5 which turns out to be beneficial) 34. ... Qc1+ 35. Kh4 Nc4 36. Bxc4 and this draws I think.> 34. K g3 Qb3+ 35. Kh4 Qxd5 36. a6 Qh5+ 37. Kg3 Qe5+ 38. Qxe5 Rxe5 <this really deserves a diagram:> 
click for larger viewWhite's bishop is completely dominated by the rook (e2 & b5) and the knight (d3 & c4) and therefore can't move, which also means the White rook is out of play. There is no obvious win for Black but he marches his king to Q-side and then starts pushing the c-pawn and the K-side majority. |
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| Jan-23-11 | | Eyal: <Hesam7> Thanks, I got some similar lines myself (with the help of an engine, of course…) - but I think that in the line 32.Kg3 Qe1+ 33.Kg4 Qd1+ 34.Kg3 Qb3+ 35.Kh4 Qxd5 White can improve with 36.Ba6 (instead of a6) – and with the bishop out the idea of Qh5+/Qe5+, forcing a queen exchange, doesn’t work anymore. What I got as a main line is 36...Nc4 37.Bxc4 Qxc4+ 38.g4 Qe6 39.Qxe6 Rxe6 40.Ra1 Kc8 41.Kg5 and this looks like it boils down to a draw (there are various lines where black keeps the queens on and white’s king *almost* gets mated, but somehow it always manages to escape…). |
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| Jan-31-11 | | notyetagm: http://www.chessvideos.tv/forum/vie... |
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| Feb-01-11 | | Eyal: <http://www.chessvideos.tv/forum/vie... > I see that in this video, IM Renier also considers 32.Kg3 to be a likely draw. He analyzes 32...Nd3 <32...Nd1 doesn't work here because White has time for 33.Bb5! (threatening Qh8+ and mate) and now Nf2 doesn't come with a check - so Black has nothing better than to force a perpetual with 33...Qe3+ 34.Kh4 (34.Kg4?? Nf2+; 34.Qf3?? Qg5+ 35.Kh3 Re3) 34...Qh6+ 35.Kg3 Qe3+ etc.> 33.Bxd3 Qxd3+ 34.Kh4 Ke8 <unpinning the rook - 34...Qxd5?? loses to 35.Re1, and after an exchange of all the heavy pieces the a-pawn queens> 35.Rf1 <preparing Rf3 to drive away the queen - 35.a6?? Re4+ 36.g4 h6 - threatening g5+ and mate on h3, with decisive attack, e.g. 37.h3 Re3 38.Qh8+ Kd7 39.Qxh6 Qc3 40.Qf4 (to defend f6) Qh8+ 41.Kg5 Re5+> 35...Re4+ <35...Qxd5 36.a6! taking away the b7 square from the black king, to force a perpetual after 36...Qxg2 37.Qh8+ Kd7 38.Qd4+ Kc8 39.Qh8+> 36.g4 Qxd5 37.Qh8+ Kd7 38.h3 Re3 39.Rxf7+! Qxf7 40.Qd4+ and 41.Qxe3. Other possibilities for Black on move 38 are 38...Qh5+ 39.Kg3 Re3+ 40.Kf4 Qxh3 41.Qd4+ Kc8 42.Qh8+ with perpetual (42...Kb7? 43.a6+! Kxa6 44.Ra1+); and - perhaps the best - 38...g5+ 39.Kh5 Re3 40.h4! gxh4+ 41.Rf5 (41.Kxh4? Re2) 41...Qe6 42.Qd4+ Kc8 43.Kxh4 and Black retains a pawn advantage, but it's very difficult to make progress (for example, if White can exchange queens and trade the Q-side pawns it’s going to be a drawn rook endgame). So overall, it’s likely that Kramnik’s 27…Qc1+ was objectively inferior than Re8+ and gave Shirov good drawing chances with accurate play. At any rate, from a practical viewpoint the most important factor in the game may have been the fact that due to his prep, Kramnik had to start thinking only from move 25, whereas Shirov had to do that already from move 11 or 12. |
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| Feb-22-12 | | dumbgai: Once upon a time Shirov had a plus score against Kramnik. |
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| Feb-22-12 | | Mr. Bojangles: <dumbgai: Once upon a time Shirov had a plus score against Kramnik.> No way! |
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| Feb-22-12 | | drnooo: Yes, truly at one point Shirov did know how to beat the tar out of Krammnik. Like a father to his son. But then the son gut bigger and the leather strap found its way into the attic where it has remained ever since |
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| Feb-23-12 | | dumbgai: Based on games in the CG database, Shirov had +6 against Kramnik until 1999, and -9 since 2000. This includes some non-classical games but overall the trend is clear: the bully has become the bullied. |
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| May-28-12 | | SamAtoms1980: Few things are bitterer than your own medicine that you get served a dose of. |
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| Mar-11-13 | | vinidivici: Wow...GOTD!! |
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| Aug-13-14 | | Xeroxx: Has this been game of the day? |
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| Aug-04-25 | | Freelance Assassin: This game is a real swashbuckler. |
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Aug-04-25
 | | Breunor: Oh my - what a game! My brain hurts! |
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Aug-04-25
 | | perfidious: Almost as complex as the ferocious struggle Kramnik vs Shirov, 1994. |
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| Aug-04-25 | | njuguna: banned in the face |
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Aug-04-25
 | | FSR: Wow. This is an insane game. And a palindromic pun. |
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Aug-04-25
 | | OhioChessFan: Funny pun. |
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Aug-04-25
 | | offramp: A funny pun about <Kramnik's Skid-Mark>.
Kramnik used to sprint to & from the toilets, pulling up his trousers, running back to the board. That's bound to leave skid-marks on his crimplene undercrackers. Have you ever seen the film <TO THE DEVIL A DAUGHTER> ( 1976)?
The star is Richard Widmark. There is a scene where Richard Widmark leaps out of his bed to have another battle with Satan.
When he stands up, you can clearly see that Richard Widmark leaves behind a huge skidmark.
It is worth seeing. |
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| Aug-04-25 | | The Kings Domain: A firecracker of a game. Complex and entertaining. |
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Aug-04-25
 | | Check It Out: Crazy game, and yes, it probably left a mark. |
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| Aug-04-25 | | Pyrandus: Battaglia degli giganti. |
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| Aug-04-25 | | BxChess: Are palindromes back? |
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Aug-04-25
 | | MissScarlett: I believed this to be an anagram, not a palindrome. But to answer your point - they are not banned, merely rationed. |
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