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Alexey Shirov vs Viswanathan Anand
XXIV Magistral de Ajedrez Ciudad de Leon (2011) (rapid), Leon, Spain, rd 3, Jun-04
Caro-Kann Defense: Advance Variation. Bayonet Attack (B12)  ·  0-1

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Jun-04-11  yalie: Vishy must be very confident Gelfand will not play 4.g4. Otherwise why "waste" the novelty now?
Jun-04-11  maelith: at EXIDE I disagree

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail...

Jun-04-11  SetNoEscapeOn: <Domdaniel>

OK good. I watch all kinds of sports- except for baseball. I know Arnold Rothstein a lot more from studying the mafia, and from a scene from The Godfather Part II:

Hyman Roth:
"I've loved baseball... ever since Arnold Rothstein fixed the world series in 1919."

Michael Corleone:
(laughs and nods head)

Jun-04-11  James Bowman: < Marmot PFL: How can a 2700 player lose with white in 17 moves? Ridiculous>

By playing like an 1800 against a world champion. ;o]

Jun-04-11  CoachJeremy: The position is zugzwang for Shirov.
Jun-04-11  Shams: <The position is zugzwang for Shirov.>

Not really, but let's not go there.

Jun-04-11  hedgeh0g: <I'm not sure why the Chess Base website has an article about this impressive game referring to 6... c5 as a novelty, when in my own CB database (!) there is a Mukhin-Nasybullin game from 1976 where Black played 6... c5 and lost quickly without ever managing to complete his development.>

So obviously Anand had a new idea in mind when he played a move which had a 0% record in serious competition.

Jun-04-11  Akavall: 6...c5 must not have been very hard to find as it is Houdini's first choice :).
Jun-05-11  bladepakkiri: Domdaniel, I sure enjoyed the Kevin O Brien century against England this World cup :)
Jun-05-11  Phil Holden: Bg2, g4, h3. Was Shirov trying to play the Grob?
Jun-05-11  AndrewMD: I'm not good chess player.

Can anybody show me the winning move or mating move here?

Thank you very much.

Jun-05-11  Phil Holden: < AndrewMD: I'm not good chess player.> I believe Black has so many options to just win material
Jun-05-11  AndrewMD: Thank you <Phil Holden>
Jun-05-11  IRONCASTLEVINAY: STOCKFISH shows almost -4.08 something

Positional advantage of almost four pawns to Anand.

Jun-05-11
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  Domdaniel: <SetNoEscapeOn> Ah. Thanks. That's actually a bit embarrassing, as it was movies like The Godfather (I and II) that led me to become a movie critic. Part III, some years later, persuaded me to move on to other kinds of writing. But I *shoulda* got the reference.

What little baseball lore I have is a weird mixture of movie stuff (Field of Dreams, and the brilliant Bull Durham... and Redford in The Natural ... and many versions of "Say it ain't so, Joe") plus references in the science essays of Stephen Jay Gould. And, hmm, a few novelists, like Don Delillo. And Exley's classic A Fan's Notes, though it's more gridiron and electro-therapy. And songs like 'Casey at the Bat'. And, and ... y'know, there's more of that stuff in my head than I thought.

I see Rothstein had links with real and imaginary mobsters from Legs Diamond to Dutch Schultz to Meyer Wolfsheim in The Great Gatsby. One of my favorite lines is from the 1930s film, The Rise and Fall of Legs Diamond: our hero gets out of jail and finds things are different now. The new mob is run by accountants and businessmen, who don't like flashy capers. He's summoned to a meeting, and told:

"The world's changing, Mr Diamond. I suggest you leave it."

Brilliant.

Jun-05-11  notyetagm: <yalie: Vishy must be very confident Gelfand will not play 4.g4. Otherwise why "waste" the novelty now?>

Gelfand almost *never* plays 1 e4.

Repertoire Explorer: Boris Gelfand (white)

Jun-05-11  Akavall: I am surprised he played it that much.
Jun-05-11  Kinghunt: And Anand almost never plays the Caro-Kann either.
Jun-06-11
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  jessicafischerqueen: <Setnoescapeonthe heart of the sun>

Great scene that from the Godfather II movie.

As you probably already know, in the movie, Hyman Roth is meant to be <Arnold Rothstein's> protege Meyer Lansky, and Moe Green is meant to be Lansky's pal Bugsy Siegel, the man who built Las Vegas.

Jun-06-11  SetNoEscapeOn: <jessicafischerqueen>

Absolutely. Puzo is very fond of hiding famous figures "in plain sight." In The Last Don (not only my second favorite but also the basis for a very entertaining TV movie of the same name), there is a racist, ego-maniacal LA cop who was clearly inspired by Mark Fuhrman.

<Domdaniel>

Your post has been "saved." I'm an amateur critic myself but I need must see many more films.

Jun-06-11
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  perfidious: The first two Godfather movies were superb, and the original remains a favourite.

<jess> Moe Greene's name is taken from mobsters Moe Sedway and Gus Greenbaum.

If Siegel hadn't skimmed with such rapacity, he might have lived a lot longer. Just couldn't keep his hand out of the till, though, and Lansky was forced to agree to get rid of his protege and friend.

Greenbaum got it a few years on for the same reason.

Jun-06-11  SetNoEscapeOn: I knew a guy (a hearing-impaired Life Master, actually)who I tried to speak with once about movies. He said

"Well, with me movies are tough because it's hard to hear anything.

But The Godfather and Pulp Fiction- that's just outstanding."

Jun-06-11  Chris00nj: What I like about these semi-rapid games is that there tends to be a more diverse opening selection. Otherwise its QGD, Grunfeld, Petroff and Sicilian... and that's it.

I applaud Shirov's non-boring approach, though as a C-K player, I like the line against a pesky g4.

Do "rapid" games make the opening explorer?, because the c5 move doesn't show up yet.

Jun-06-11  bronkenstein: Chris00nj , maybe http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail... will explain why c5 is so shy.
Jun-08-11  meetjain2295: Hey, can anyone please tell me what's so lost about this position?
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