| Oct-21-14 | | belgradegambit: 28...Qc1 is a mistake. If your down a rook keep the queens on the board to keep it complicated. |
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| Oct-21-14 | | Olsonist: Seems like Bkack was playing not to draw. |
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| Oct-21-14 | | Shams: What is White's best on 19...Ne6<?> |
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 | | keypusher: <belgradegambit: 28...Qc1 is a mistake.[]> Well, it wasn't his first. If there's ever a <Jobava was drunk!> collection I bet this game will be in the top slot. |
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| Oct-21-14 | | AuN1: His game vs ivanchuk at the olympiad a few years back might have a thing or two to say about that: Ivanchuk vs Jobava, 2010 |
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| Oct-21-14 | | Mudphudder: I find my brain self-destructing trying to understand this game. |
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| Oct-21-14 | | belgradegambit: For those critical of Jobava's play take the white pieces and try to beat your computer after 28...Qd4. Yeah you're a rook up but things are dicey with the passed a pawn. |
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| Oct-21-14 | | coolconundrum: Blacks 19th move seems to be best by about .5. If 19...Ne6 20.Be4 Rb8 21.b5 Be7 22.Bc6, and white is totally dominating. I'm really puzzled by Jobavas decision on his 17th to capture in the center, completely wrecking his pawn structure and opening the position when his development is backward. The natural break .c5 is much better, and keeps white to just a small edge of .4 or so. |
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| | keypusher: <belgradegambit: For those critical of Jobava's play take the white pieces and try to beat your computer after 28...Qd4. Yeah you're a rook up but things are dicey with the passed a pawn.> It would be a challenge for me to beat my computer at those odds even if it didn't have the a-pawn. But so what? By the standards applicable to strong GMs, Jobava played horribly and got squashed. |
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| Oct-21-14 | | SirRuthless: <keypusher> All of the GM analysis I have read on this game suggest that although black made some questionable positional decisions, white played rather brilliantly in an unclear and difficult position.This is what Jobava does. The result should be no surprise to anyone. Nakamura isn't Timman... |
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| Oct-21-14 | | Jambow: Ahhh nice to see Nakamura do what Nakamura does well, well!!! Seems the fog is clearing. |
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| Oct-21-14 | | jphamlore: <belgradegambit: For those critical of Jobava's play take the white pieces and try to beat your computer after 28...Qd4. Yeah you're a rook up but things are dicey with the passed a pawn.> Yes, everyone can see that Black had numerous chances to at least draw. However what the position evaluation at that moment does not show is that Jobava only had 10 minutes on the clock. Furthermore unlike many other events these days, there is no increment until the 60th move, so in effect Jobava was operating with even less time. Considering his opponent was Nakamura whose game is exactly this type of position and situation, in practical terms Jobava was dead lost at that point. Jobava simply isn't going to be able to make 12 near perfect moves to save the game. |
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| Oct-21-14 | | SirRuthless: <<Jphamlore<Yes, everyone can see that Black had numerous chances to at least draw.>> I think you might be overstating black's chances. He had a bad position after Nc6 Nx bx. The broken pawn structure is really what did him in. He is a similar player to Nakamura, MVL, Mamedyarov and even Aronian. They thrive on activity and Jobava starved himself of it but I am not seeing where black ever had chances for anything more than a grovel for a draw.> |
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| Oct-21-14 | | mrbasso: <For those critical of Jobava's play take the white pieces and try to beat your computer after 28...Qd4. Yeah you're a rook up but things are dicey with the passed a pawn.> This is a nonsense argumentation. Instead of 25.Nb3? the move 25.Bd5 is stronger. White has a technical won game after this move but due to Naka winning quickly anyway nobody mentioned that mistake. |
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| Oct-21-14 | | jphamlore: <SirRuthless: <Jphamlore<Yes, everyone can see that Black had numerous chances to at least draw.>> I think you might be overstating black's chances. He had a bad position after Nc6 Nx bx. The broken pawn structure is really what did him in. He is a similar player to Nakamura, MVL, Mamedyarov and even Aronian. They thrive on activity and Jobava starved himself of it but I am not seeing where black ever had chances for anything more than a grovel for a draw.> I have argued elsewhere that in practical terms given his opponent was Nakamura, Jobava was lost around move 7, although no one would argue objectively the game was bad for Black at that point. Obviously give any of these masters the Black position at move 7 and they would slaughter me quickly at the chessboard. What I am criticizing about Jobava's play is there seems to be a total disregard for the opponent or the circumstances. Even Garry Kasparov in his prime was quite willing at times to take quick draws in "boring" openings. I believe someone playing Black in a series of events to determine who qualifies for Candidates 2016 has a certain obligation to battle all opposition resolutely, not to be conducting experiments at the board. I am reminded of the opposite example of Etienne Bacrot who at the FIDE Paris Grand Prix 2013 was playing for nothing yet who drew Caruana first round in 33 moves and went on to do decently in the event. And that very first draw told me Caruana was going to have a hard road to win the event outright to automatically qualify for Candidates 2014, which Caruana did not do. That draw Bacrot achieved first round was significant to chess, perhaps to have reverberations for years. |
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| Oct-21-14 | | SirRuthless: This IS Jobava though. This is what he does. You recommend he avoid playing his own style to stymie Nakamura? That doesn't make much sense at all. |
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| Oct-21-14 | | jphamlore: <SirRuthless> Actually what seems to have happened is that once upon a time Jobava did play a perfectly mainstream defense to 1. d4, the King's Indian Defense. But just as I have been observing about other players who start their careers playing the King's Indian or Gruenfeld exclusively, at some point they give up that defense, panic, and then wind up with no solid defense to 1. d4 at all. The solution to that problem is not being a rebel, it's buckling down to do the work of solidifying one defense and moving on from there. For example, one could argue Anand is a tactical player. Yet Anand first worked very hard to develop a sound Queen's Indian before then working very hard to develop a sound Semi-Slav. Or for a particular player maybe the solution is to stay with the KID or Gruenfeld and redouble efforts. Just pick something defensible. To not do so is I would argue unfair to the rest of the competition who is randomly assigned White or Black versus Jobava. |
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| Oct-22-14 | | Jason Frost: <jphamlore> So it was unfair for Steinitz to play more solid, positional chess in the age of Morphy, Anderssen, and the like? Also what problem? Jobava is a 2700+ gm, and he got there precisely by playing and leading his games into these types of positions. Nakamura likely being better at playing the same positions, probably spells poor results for Jobava vs Nakamura. But, it seems completely unrealistic to suggest he should suddenly pick up a style of play he simply doesn't play (and is likely generally worse at) because of it. |
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| Nov-29-17 | | Dhiky: Brilliant game by nakamura.. |
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