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Wesley So vs Anish Giri
Tata Steel Masters (2016), Wijk aan Zee NED, rd 1, Jan-16
English Opening: Symmetrical. Symmetrical Variation (A36)  ·  1-0



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  piltdown man: I'm no So fanboy. But it's good to see Giri being taken down a peg.
Jan-16-16  Tal1949: Giri has a highest ever rating of 2803??? Oh dear....I miss the days when 2800 actually meant something.
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  chancho: Poor Giri... Wesley So went Ace Ventura on him:

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  tamar: Wesley So with Yasser afterwards
Jan-16-16  MindCtrol9: Looks like So did everything he wanted.Giri had weaknesses easy to explote in this game.
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  An Englishman: Good Evening: Both players resorted to the Botvinnik Formation (c4, e4, g3 vs. c5, e5, g6). I happily resorted to the formation with both White and Black in my playing days. White had a tiny edge out of the opening because he persuaded Black to play ...a7-a5 without playing a2-a4. Pretty typical Botvinnik; you have to play with a lot of imagination to succeed.
Jan-17-16  JASAHA: The inability of certain pieces to retreat is better exemplified by the Japanese chess derivative Shogi. Here the pawns, lances and knights can not retreat. Makes for a more complex game. Want a a new take on Chess try Shogi! Saporo, Saporo Saporo Ichiban :)
Jan-17-16  Shams: <JASAHA> Is shogi a chess derivative or do they share a common ancestor?
Jan-17-16  iking: <Classical games: Anish Giri beat Magnus Carlsen 1 to 0, with 11 draws.> .. sooner, Carlsen will learn how to beat Giri. Learn from wesley ....he he
Jan-17-16  Shams: Also this makes no sense: <Here the pawns, lances and knights can not retreat. Makes for a more complex game>
Jan-18-16  MCDreamz: Maybe he's playing shogified chess where he adds extra pieces as lances.
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  al wazir: What did 24...b4 accomplish? It gave up *two* ♙s, and for what?
Jan-19-16  epistle: Desperation. The pawn at f3 will fall once the a1 N reaches e3. So Giri decided to complicate, seeking some counterplay.
Jan-19-16  JASAHA: Regarding the complexity of Shogi I suggest downloading an app to play the game and try to follow the process. I'd say it is a derivative of Indian Chess however it has some major differences; especially when it comes to "Queening". As for relative complexity; imagine playing a knight move that can only go forward to 2 possible squares and lances that only move directly forward. This means that they could be easy fodder for pawns that capture forward ( not diagonally). As to this the feature that captured pieces switch sides and can by placed on the board following the rules for the same. After a few Shogi games; Chess seems less complex.
Jan-23-16  Monocle: Shogi is a bit too complex - every game is like the lovechild of the Bg5 Najdorf and the Botvinnik Semi-Slav, except without the forced drawing lines. Even the best players in Japan are only making 3rd or 4th best moves most of the time.

I think chess is at the optimum level of complexity for the human brain to handle. There's a reason why variants with bigger boards and more pieces never became more popular.

Jan-23-16  JASAHA: Here is a game complexity chart which places Shogi above Chess.
As far as I understand there is little or no Drawing in Shogi as there is a calculation that can be made as to which side is better. If applied to chess, this could eliminate most draws.
Jan-23-16  JASAHA: The page includes Shogi rules on Draws:
Most interesting is the one that says that if a position repeats 4 times consecutively due to checks then the checking player loses. !
Jan-25-16  ndg2: What Giri did looked natural, exactly where and when did he fail? His pawn pushes only weakend his position, should he have just been waiting for what Wesley does? Maybe 21..g5 was necessary to support the pawn chain instead of f3?
Jan-25-16  kamagong24: another classic by Wesley! :)
Mar-31-16  peltonen: Anish opened lines with no success, also a knight standing on e7 all the game heavily hinders Black's development.
Mar-31-16  iking: the dark bishop will fall, and no counterplay for giri .. he resigned.
Apr-01-16  Nina Myers: Why haven't we seen Wesley at the Candidates?
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  perfidious: We will see Wesley in the Candidates before <Nimrod Moron> ever gets a sniff of 1600.
Apr-01-16  epistle: Looking forward to that so Nakamura will have someone to squeeze some points from and finally become a challenger.
Apr-01-16  MCDreamz: If Wesley played in the Candidates, Anish won't have his "famous" half streak.
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