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| Apr-26-19 | | cormier: Sesse
-3.53 d35 48. … Nd4 49. g4 d1=B 50. Nxd1 Qxd1 51. Qxc3 Qxg4+ 52. Qg3 Qe4+ 53. f3 Qe2+ (…) -2.47 d35 48. … Qa1 49. Qc8+ Kg7 50. Nd1 Bf6 51. Nfe3 Bd4 52. Qc2 Bxe3 53. Nxe3 Qa8+ ...
-1.27 d36 49. Qd3 Bb4 50. Nh2 Qc6+ 51. Nf3 Qa8 52. Nd1 Nc5 53. Qd4 Qb7 54. Ne3 Qe4 (…) -1.59 d36 49. Qb5 Bc3 50. Qb3 Kg7 51. Nd1 Bf6 52. Nfe3 Nd4 53. Qd5 Nc6 54. Qe4 Bd4 (…) Qd5 -1.59 d36
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-1.59 d31 49. … Bb4 50. Qb5 Qc3 51. Qd5 Kg7 52. Nd1 Qc1 53. Qb3 Ba5 54. Qb2+ Kh7 (…) -1.59 d31 49. … Bc3 50. Qb3 Kg7 51. Nd1 Bf6 52. Nfe3 Bd4 53. Qd3 Ba1 54. Qb3 Bf6 (…) -1.26 d31 49. … Qe1 50. Qb5 Bb4 51. Qd3 Qc1 52. Nh2 Qc6+ 53. Nf3 Qa8 54. Nd1 Nc5 (…) Qc3 -1.07 d31
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-1.92 d35 50. … Bc3 51. Qb3 Kh7 52. Nd1 Bg7 53. Nfe3 Bd4 54. Nf1 Kh8 55. Qf3 Bg7 (…) -1.38 d35 50. … Qc3 51. Nd1 Qd4 52. Qb7 Ba5 53. Nfe3 Kg7 54. Qc6 Bb6 55. Nf1 Bc5 (…) Qb2 -1.35 d35 |
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| Apr-26-19 | | beenthere240: He puts them in time trouble, but then he waits to see if they blunder. Look at his draws this tournament. He expected Anand to collapse and when he didn’t MC lost the win. I’m just saying that relying on time trouble is a one-dimensional strategy. |
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| Apr-26-19 | | cormier: -1.46 d41 51. … Kg7 52. Qd7 Qd4 53. Qxd4+ Nxd4 54. Nd1 Kf6 55. f3 Ke5 56. Kf2 Nf5 (…) 1 -1.33 d41 51. … Qc1 52. Qd3 Kg7 53. Kh2 Qb2 54. Kg2 Qd4 55. Qxd4+ Nxd4 56. Nd1 Kf6 (…) -1.30 d41 51. … Kh7 52. Qe4 Bc5 53. Qd5 Bd4 54. Nd1 Qc1 55. Qf3 Bg7 56. Nfe3 Kg8 (…) -1.27 d41 51. … Kf8 52. Nd1 Qa1 53. Qc4 Ba5 54. Qc2 Qc1 55. Qa4 Qc5 56. Qe4 Kg8 (…) -1.26 d41 51. … Nc7 52. Qb7 Ba5 53. Nd1 Qc1 54. Nfe3 Ne6 55. Kf1 Bd8 56. Qb2 Be7 (…) ...
-1.23 d35 52. Qd3 Kg7 53. Kh2 Ba5 54. Kg2 Bc3 55. Nd1 Bb4 56. Nde3 Kg8 57. Nh2 Qa1 (…) -1.87 d35 52. Qb5 Bc3 53. Qb3 Kh8 54. Nd1 Bd4 55. Qf3 Bg7 56. Nfe3 f5 57. Nxf5 gxf5 (…) -2.16 d35 52. Qe4 Bc3 53. Qa4 Kg7 54. Nd1 Bf6 55. Nfe3 Bd4 56. Kf1 Bc5 57. Ke2 Nd4+ (…) -2.25 d35 52. Qd7 Bc3 53. Qa4 Kg7 54. Nd1 Bf6 55. Nfe3 Bd4 56. Kf1 Bc5 57. Ke2 ...
-2.00 d37 52. … Bc3 53. Qb3 Kh7 54. Nd1 Bg7 55. Nfe3 Bd4 56. Nf1 Kh8 57. Qf3 Bg7 (…) -1.46 d36 52. … Qc3 53. Nd1 Qd4 54. Qb7 Kg7 55. Nfe3 Bc5 56. Qd5 Qxd5+ 57. Nxd5 Nd4 (…) -1.19 d36 52. … Qa3 53. Qc4 Qa8+ 54. Kg1 Ba5 55. Qd3 Nc5 56. Qc2 Ne4 57. f3 Nf6 (…) -1.19 d36 52. … Qe1 53. Qd3 Ba5 54. Qb5 Kg7 55. Qe5+ Kh7 56. Qd6 Bc3 57. Qd3 Nc5 (…) -1.14 d36 52. … Be7 53. Qd3 Bxh4 54. Qxd2 Qc6+ 55. Qd5 Qa4 56. Nc4 Bg5 57. Ne5 |
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| Apr-26-19 | | cormier: Seese also
-2.00 d31 53. Qb3 Kh8 54. Nd1 Bd4 55. Qf3 Bg7 56. Nfe3 f5 57. Nxf5 gxf5 58. Qxh5+ Kg8 (…) -2.39 d31 53. Qa4 Kg7 54. Nd1 Bf6 55. Nfe3 Bd4 56. Kf1 Bc5 57. Ke2 Nd4+ 58. Kf1 Bb6 (…) -3.52 d31 53. Qc4 Nd4 54. g4 d1=R 55. Nxd1 Qxd1 56. Qc8+ Kg7 57. Qxc3 Qxg4+ 58. Qg3 Qe4+ (…) ...
-4.02 d35 53. … Kg7 54. Nd1 Bd4 55. Nfe3 Bxe3 56. fxe3 Kh7 57. Nf2 Qe1 58. Qb3 Kg8 (…) -4.00 d35 53. … Bd4 54. Nd1 Kg7 55. Qb3 Ba7 56. Qc3+ Nd4 57. Nfe3 Qxc3 58. Nxc3 Nb5 (…) -1.89 d35 53. … Bb2 54. Qb5 Bc3 55. Qb3 Kh8 56. Nd1 Bd4 57. Qf3 Bg7 58. Nfe3 f5 (…) |
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| Apr-26-19 | | cormier: Seese
-4.13 d32 55. … Bb6 56. Kg2 Bc5 57. Nfe3 Bxe3 58. fxe3 Kh7 59. Nf2 Qe1 60. Qd7 Kg8 (…) -3.41 d32 55. … Bc5 56. Kg2 Bb6 57. Qb3 Ba7 58. Qc3+ Nd4 59. Nfe3 Qxc3 60. Nxc3 Nb5 (…) -3.31 d32 55. ….Ba7
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-1.35 d38 56. Nfe3 Nd4+ 57. Kg2 Qb1 58. Qa8 Qd3 59. Qd5 Qa3 60. Qb7 Qa1 61. Qd5 Qc1 (…) -5.03 d38 56. Ke2 Nd4+ 57. Ke3 Qb1 58. Nxd2 Qf5 59. f3 Qh3 60. Ne4 Nf5+ 61. Kd2 Qg2+ (…) -5.54 d38 56.Nde3 |
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| Apr-26-19 | | Everett: < beenthere240: He puts them in time trouble, but then he waits to see if they blunder. Look at his draws this tournament. He expected Anand to collapse and when he didn’t MC lost the win. I’m just saying that relying on time trouble is a one-dimensional strategy.> He plays good moves and puts pressure on his opponents all the time. It’s not a one-dimensional strategy at all. It’s what good chess is. It’s the very definition of it. |
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| Apr-26-19 | | cormier: Seese
-5.52 d41 58. Ke3 Qf5 59. Nxd2 Be5 60. Qc4 Qg4 61. Nc3 Nc2+ 62. Kd3 Nb4+ 63. Ke3 Qxc4 (…) -47.64 d41 58. Kxd2 Qe4 59. Nfe3 Nf3+ 60. Ke2 Qxa4 61. Kxf3 Qb5 62. Kg2 Qe2 63. Kg1 Bd4 (…) M -20 d41 58. Kc4 Ne6 59. Nxd2 Qc1+ 60. Kd5 Qxd2+ 61. Kc6 Qc1+ 62. Kd5 Qc5+ ...
-5.71 d44 58. Ke3 Qf5 59. Nxd2 Be5 60. Qc4 Qg4 61. Nc3 Nc2+ 62. Kd3 Nb4+ 63. Ke3 Qxc4 (…) -60.29 d44 58. Kxd2 Qe4 59. Nfe3 Nf3+ 60. Ke2 Qxa4 61. Kxf3 Qb5 62. Kg2 Qe2 63. Kg1 Bd4 (…) M -19 d44 58. Kc4 Ne6 59. Nxd2 Qc1+ 60. Kd5 Qxd2+ 61. Kc6 Qc1+ 62. Kd5 Qc5+ 63. Ke4 Qe5+ (…) M -16 d44 58. Kc3 Nb3+ 59. Kc4 Qxd1 60. Nxd2 Qc1+ 61. Kb5 Qc5+ 62. Ka6 Qd6+ 63. Kb5 Qd7+ (…) M -5 d44 58. Qc2 Qxc2+ 59. Ke3 Qxd1 60. Kd3 Qc2+ 61. Ke3 d1=N+ 62. Kf4 Qf5# |
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| Apr-26-19 | | Sokrates: <cormier> Are you all right? Well said, <Everett>. It's strange that some people simply can't accept that Carlsen wins because he plays better. |
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| Apr-26-19 | | cormier: Meier–Carlsen, analysis after 58… Qe4
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Black mates in 34
PV: 59. Nfe3 Nf3+ 60. Ke2 Qxa4 61. Kxf3 Qc6+ 62. Ke2 Bd4 63. Kf1 Qf3 64. Ke1 f5 65. Nf1 Bc5 66. Nfe3 Bxe3 67. Nxe3 f4 68. gxf4 Qxf4 69. Ng2 Qh2 70. Ne3 Qxh4 71. Ke2 Qh1 72. Kd3 g5 73. Nf5+ Kh8 74. Ne3 g4 75. Kd2 g3 76. Ke2 gxf2 77. Kd2 f1=Q 78. Kc2 h4 79. Kb2 h3 80. Ka2 h2 81. Kb2 Qc1+ 82. Ka2 Qxe3 83. Kb2 Qb1+ 84. Kxb1 h1=Q+ 85. Ka2 Qa1+ 86. Kxa1 Qd2 87. Kb1 Kg7 88. Ka1 Kf6 89. Kb1 Ke5 90. Ka1 Kd4 91. Kb1 Kc3 92. Ka1 Qb2# 1,582,105,132 nodes, 46,286,098 nodes/sec, depth 56 ply ...
| (…) 55. Kf3 Bf6 56. Ke2 Nd4+ 57. Kd3 Qb1+ 58. Kxd2 Qe4 | -61.06 d50 59. Nfe3 Nf3+ 60. Ke2 Qxa4 61. Kxf3 Qa2 62. Kg2 Qe2 63. Kg1 Bd4 64. Kg2 Be5 (…) M -25 d50 59. Nc3 Nf3+ 60. Kc1 Qe1+ 61. Nd1 Qxf1 62. Qe4 Nd4 63. Kd2 Qc4 64. f3 Qa2+ (…) M -20 d50 59. Qxd4 Qxd4+ 60. Ke1 Qd3 61. Nd2 Bd4 62. Ne3 Bxe3 63. fxe3 Qxe3+ 64. Kd1 Qxg3 (…) M -17 d50 59. Kc1 Ne2+ 60. Kd2 Qxa4 61. Kxe2 Qc4+ 62. Ke1 Be7 63. Nde3 Bb4+ 64. Nd2 Qc1+ (…) M -17 d50 59. Nb2 Qe2+ 60. Kc1 Qe1+ 61. Qd1 Ne2+ 62. Kb1 Nc3+ 63. Kc1 Nxd1 64. Nxd1 Qxf1 (…) M -17 d50 59. Nh2 Qe2+ 60. Kc1 Qd3 61. Qa2 Ne2+ 62. Qxe2 Qxe2 63. Nf3 Qxf3 64. Kd2 Qd5+ (…) M -13 d49 59. Kc3 Ne6+ 60. Kd2 Qxa4 61. Nfe3 Qb5 62. f4 Nd4 63. Nc3 Nf3+ 64. Kc2 Ne1+ (…) M -10 d49 59. Nde3 Nf3+ 60. Ke2 Ng1+ 61. Kd2 Qxa4 62. f4 Qb5 63. Nf5+ gxf5 64. Ne3 Qe2+ (…) M -10 d49 59. Qb5 Qc2+ 60. Ke3 Nxb5 61. Kf3 Qc6+ 62. Ke3 Nd4 63. f3 Qxf3+ 64. Kd2 Qe2+ (…) M -9 d49 59. f3 Nxf3+ 60. Kc1 Qxa4 61. Nfe3 Qc6+ 62. Nc2 Nd4 63. Ne3 Qc3 64. Kb1 Nxc2 (…) M -9 d49 59. f4 Nf3+ 60. Kc1 Qxa4 61. Nfe3 Qc6+ 62. Nc2 Nd4 63. Ne3 Qc3 64. Kb1 Nxc2 (…) M -9 d49 59. g4 Nf3+ 60. Kc1 Qxa4 61. Nfe3 Qc6+ 62. Nc2 Nd4 63. Ne3 Qc3 64. Kb1 Nxc2 (…) M -8 d49 59. Qa2 Qe2+ 60. Kc3 Qxa2 61. Nde3 Nc6+ 62. Kd3 Nb4+ 63. Ke4 Qa8+ 64. Nd5 Qxd5+ (…) M -6 d49 59. Qc4 Nf3+ 60. Kc1 Qxc4+ 61. Kb1 Qd3+ 62. Kc1 Nd4 63. Kb2 Qc2+ 64. Ka3 Qb3# M -3 d49 59. Qa3 Qc2+ 60. Ke3 Qe2+ 61. Kf4 Ne6# M -3 d49 59. Qc2 Qxc2+ 60. Ke3 Qe2+ 61. Kf4 Ne6# M -2 d49 59. Qb4 Qe2+ 60. Kc3 Qc2#
M -1 d49 59. Qa1 Nb3#
M -1 d49 59. Qa5 Nb3#
M -1 d49 59. Qa6 Nb3#
M -1 d49 59. Qa7 Nb3#
M -1 d49 59. Qa8 Nb3#
M -1 d49 59. Qb3 Nxb3#
M -1 d49 59. Qc6 Nb3#
M -1 d49 59. Qd7 Nb3#
M -1 d49 59. Qe8 Nb3#
remoteglot © 2007–2018 Steinar H. Gunderson. Chess analysis by Stockfish 180419-asn 64 BMI2 (main analysis: 20x2.3GHz Haswell-EP) |
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| Apr-26-19 | | Eyal: <Stockfish_10_x64:
45/67 26:11 598,679k 381k +5.45
34. ... Bxb4 35.Rxc3 Bxc3 36.Qb1 d2 37.Qd3 Qxa4 38.Ne3 Qxb3 39.Qxe4 d1R+ 40.Nxd1 Qxd1+ 41.Kg2 Kg7 42.Qb7 Qd3 43.Qc6 Bf6 44.h3 Bc3 45.Qb7 Qf5 46.Qe7 Qd5+ 47.Kg1 Qe5 48.Qxe5+ Bxe5 49.Kg2 Bd4 50.f4 f5 51.Kf3 Kf6 52.g4 Ke6 53.Kg3 Bc5 54.Kh4 Be7+ 55.Kg3 h5 56.gxh5 gxh5 57.Kf3 Kd5 58.Kg2 Ke4 59.Kg3 h4+ 60.Kf2 Bc5+ 61.Kg2 Kxf4> 34...Rxc1+, as played by Carlsen, could also lead to a forced win provided Black plays <37...Bh6!> instead of Qa1+. Then the Nd2-Ne3 defensive maneuver that was played in the game doesn't work and White loses a piece. He could try 38.f4, but then 38...Qc2! wins - the point being that after 39.bxc5 Qxd2 there's no Ne3, which would refute in this line of play an immediate 37...Qc2. |
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| Apr-26-19 | | cormier: yes ths <Sokrates> ... just trying to recap ..... |
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| Apr-26-19 | | beenthere240: I was simply making the point that if the opponent avoids crumbling in time pressure, MC is currently having trouble putting them away and waits for the next time interval. In his last tournament, he was crushing his opponents in any case. All I'm saying is that he seems to be relying right now on inducing blunders rather than finding killing tactical shots. I don't see why this distinction is so hard to understand. |
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| Apr-26-19 | | That Roger: At move 30 white had an extra pawn and two connected passed |
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| Apr-26-19 | | Sokrates: <beenthere240: ... All I'm saying is that he seems to be relying right now on inducing blunders rather than finding killing tactical shots. I don't see why this distinction is so hard to understand.> It isn't hard to understand, but where do you want to go with all this? Carlsen's tour-de-force in Shamkir was something unique - killing shots don't occur in every game. Sure, creating tension and complication to increase the chance that the opponent makes mistakes or even blunders will be something every player strives for, no? You can't win any game if your opponent keeps making correct moves, so you have to use all proper, legal means to get him out of balance. Isn't that natural and doesn't it apply to any top player? I think Carlsen is a very pragmatical and practical player. He goes for what makes most sense for him in a given position and against a given opponent. If he sees a killing shot he shoots. If he sees that his opponent is stressed by time-trouble he tries to complicate the situation, thus enhancing the opponent's stress. Clearly, the romantic way is what we prefer as spectators, but the player should be allowed to use all legal, and ethically fair means to reach his goal: winning. |
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| Apr-26-19 | | Everett: <bt240> maybe he’s having trouble putting them away because they are playing better, yet using up more time on the clock to survive, thus the time trouble. I mean, maybe his opponents have something to say about the course of the game 🙂. But mostly, I simply don’t see any evidence that he’s waiting for blunders. If he misses a killer tactical Shot, it’s because he missed it, not because of some “I’ll wear them out” strategy. So I disagree. |
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Apr-26-19
 | | tamar: Carlsen in the postmortem seemed tortured he had overlooked quicker wins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZp... He admitted to being very tired, but also said not being able to put Meier away meant he would be more tired tomorrow. |
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| Apr-26-19 | | beenthere240: Good for you! |
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| Apr-26-19 | | Kaspablanca: Carlsen is the black mamba!all his wins so far were with the black pieces |
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| Apr-26-19 | | csmath: I think he did his old-time routine here. Play the game that is unbalanced having confidence that in such a game he will come on top since he is a better player than Meier. The last 15-20 moves do look like a play of a tired master but it gets it done so a win is a win. |
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| Apr-26-19 | | Robyn Hode: Interesting how people feel the need to constantly post engine analysis. There are several paths to the same goal. Just because a player's line doesn't match the engines, doesn't mean it is incorrect. Btw, Stockfish isn't the last word, if it were then it would have beaten AlphaZero. |
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| Apr-26-19 | | Pedro Fernandez: <<Robyn Hode>: Interesting how people feel the need to constantly post engine analysis. There are several paths to the same goal. Just because a player's line doesn't match the engines, doesn't mean it is incorrect.
Btw, Stockfish isn't the last word, if it were then it would have beaten AlphaZero.> Hey you guy! Nice to know you! So I must to pronounce your name as "Robain"? ('a' like in ``ant''). And you surname, are you mean that ``Hode'' is an English synonymous of the Spanish ``Jode, Joder''? Anyway, I see your post some interesting. In fact this game deviates a lot from SF. Lamentably Magnus is too strong for GM Meier, and I need to apologize for this claiming as it is very poor ethically, sorry. I agree with you about those silicon machines but just partially. If you want to know a little more about those "infernal" machines", please consult with Eng. <AylerKupp>, a GM on this matter. If you want to handle these engines, please take a lot of care, as that it is, by no means, a trivial task, book it! Greetings my new friend! PS. As you may realize, my English is horrible! |
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| Apr-27-19 | | Sokrates: Thanks for the link, <tamar>. Carlsen, like any other living being, can get tired, thus playing perhaps at 80 % of his maximal strength. This has sometimes proven to be enough vs. weaker opponents and vs. close-to-equals their respect and even fear for him equalize the remaining 20 %. Carlsen can never be blamed for that - he has earned that nimbus. |
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| Apr-27-19 | | Everett: <Tamar> yes, thank you! At around 3:40 he describes his missing 34..Bxb4 as “insane” and the game as a “mess.” |
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May-01-19
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In round 6 Meier chose his usual set-up with kingside fianchetto, short castle, d4 followed by 6.b3. I think I managed to surprise him with the interesting response b5! Later he played a4, Na3, Nb5 with such speed and determination that I had to suspect it was preparation. I couldn’t see what was wrong with my counterplay, and as he thought for more than 30 minutes after my natural response Rc6, he might simply have been lured by the apparent harmony of his queen side set-up, while it didn’t really jive with the rest of his position. It turned out his position is already quite tricky. I soon got an overwhelming position despite being a pawn down. I had plenty of time but couldn’t calculate anything properly, and we both made several mistakes in his time trouble. By move 40 I had squandered most of my advantage and was fortunate to have 40…. Qe1 maintaining excellent practical winning chances despite the lack of a clear plan. He defended well until his impatient and too ambitious king-march to capture the d2-pawn. This was an important victory both to create traction after three draws and also because co-leader Anand lost to Naiditsch giving me a one-point lead. ...>
An excerpt pertaining to this game from MC's assessment of his play in the Baden Baden part of the tournament. |
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May-04-19
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