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Ding Liren vs Fabiano Caruana
Magnus Carlsen Invitational (2020) (armageddon), chess24.com INT, rd 2, Apr-21
King's Indian Attack: Double Fianchetto (A07)  ·  0-1

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Apr-23-20
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  tpstar: Black to Play and Win after 36. Qb2.
Apr-27-20  ajile: Somebody must have changed the openings names. Silly me I always thought the KIA had White playing a king side fianchetto combined with e4 and d3.
Apr-27-20
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  moronovich: You are right <ajile> !
Apr-27-20
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  fredthebear: Yet another King's Indian Attack mislabel.

The games on this site with a fianchetto are often mislabeled with the wrong opening name going back years. The Liren vs Caruana game is an English-Reti double fianchetto, not a KIA double fianchetto.

For clarification, either opening can be played with one or two bishop fianchettoes, depending upon choice of variation. This adds to the confusion. Let us realize that b3/Bb2 and g3/Bg2 is not what makes the difference. It's the play on the files BETWEEN the fianchettoes that determines the proper opening name.

If the pawn is advanced to c4 before the e-pawn moves, it's an English-Reti. That's a cold, hard fact not up for debate!

Yes, <ajile> the KIA plays d3 for the purpose of Nbd2, connecting the knights. Additionally, there are some "hybrid" KIAs that play Na3 instead, heading to Nc4. (In some KID games, Black will play Na6 heading to Nc5.) Sooner or later, the KIA advances to e4.

The problem with KIA mislabels is that those searching for similar fianchetto openings have to investigate every Tom, Dick, and Harry KIA game (like stars in the night sky) to sort and find what they're really after. Closed Sicilians often get caught up in this mess, as does the Vienna Opening, Glek Four Knights, etc. Or was that Bob, Mick, and Garry?

My advice is search for a particular fianchetto opening by the name of the PLAYER who often uses your preferred opening, and include a check of his/her KIA labels, which might not be KIA at all. Of course, Opening Explorer move-by-move should come in handy.

One size does not fit all, particularly when it comes to chess theory/labels.

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Philosophically, it's my belief that it is easy to bitch and moan, point the finger of blame, and run for president as a hater. Complainers, finger pointers, and false accusers should provide VIABLE alternative solutions for the better, not just pander to the cameras and claim they can do better w/out providing any evidence of such.

Thus, in a few days FTB will post various lines that demonstrate the differences of these fianchetto openings. I'll save the various lines in a word document and continue to provide for other mislabeled KIA games. I'll do my part to help clean up the misunderstanding.

Yes, there is a grey area of transpositions. (The other day I saw a Caro-Kann Advance transpose to a Colle c3 System, IMHO.)

Also, for the record, I LIKE the KIA opening. It's a safe "system" played by many of the greats. Regular folks can have success with it instead of trying to memorize 25 moves/branches of Informant. There are too many KIA mislabels on this site, but the opening itself is a good choice for most.

Perhaps try using the KIA as a back-up system for casual games at your local club if you like, hiding your memorized repertoire for rated games. (To be accurate, the KIA has acquired a bit of opening theory itself, but its not as sharp and testy as most others.)

More to come (but don't expect an Informant rehash). Whatever you play, take good care of your center! Generally, if your center holds up and ALL your minor pieces are developed to active squares, you'll get a fair game or better.

Apr-27-20
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  perfidious: <fred: Yet another King's Indian Attack mislabel....>

Same as so many other games which begin with an 'irregular' move after 1.Nf3 wind up lumped under A04 when they very clearly transpose into established openings such as various forms of the English, to name only one.

Apr-27-20
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  fredthebear: That is so true <perfidious>. My A04 collection is a tangled jungle. It should be stated that Black's defensive choices often determine the White opening label.

Much like A04, A00 and A06 are somewhat generic too. We hardly ever see A05 compared to the others.

So check out this A08 label from another website: Reti, King's Indian attack, French variation
1. Nf3 d5 2. g3 c5 3. Bg2 Nc6 4. O-O e6 5. d3 Nf6 6. Nbd2 Be7 7. e4 O-O 8. Re1

It's truly a KIA, transposing to a French Defense structure, which is normally designated C00 or A07. Good grief!

(Sorry, I'm also struggling with the spacing/paragraph here today. Cannot be sure how it will look despite the preview.)

Apr-30-20
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  HeMateMe: helluva an attack by Fab!
Apr-30-20
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  fredthebear: Here's a reasonably good explanation of the King's Indian Attack: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King%...

Unfortunately (incorrectly), it includes the famous game Reti - Rubinstein, Karlsbad 1923 which is the Reti Opening. Reference the blue link on Wikipedia to the Reti Opening to examine the differences. Incidentally, CG.com lists the R-R 1923 game as a Zukertort Opening (A06).

The pawn move d3 is a staple of the KIA (and Sicilian Closed) fianchetto opening. However, d4 and/or c4 w/a kingside (and/or queenside) fianchetto remove the opening from the KIA label.

A KIA double fianchetto certainly is possible, with the pawn structure d3 to support e4.

Apr-30-20
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  fredthebear: Here are ECO Codes A04-A09 w/names and diagrams: http://www.maskeret.com/cgi-bin/dia... Note that moves are given in long form algebraic notation from the starting square to the landing square.

Of course, we all know from the games of Bobby Fischer that the KIA (A07) often starts with 1.e4, whereas the Reti, Zukertort, and Barcza System begin with 1.Nf3.

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