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Jul-02-22
 | | piltdown man: He played like I used to. |
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| Jul-02-22 | | hashtag: metoo |
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Jul-02-22
 | | FSR: Abject humiliation. Wow. |
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| Jul-02-22 | | Ulhumbrus: <thebully99: After Ding's tactical mistake 21. Qc1?, Radjabov found the brilliant rook sac Rxe3, which if taken leads to 22. Bxe3 Nd4 23. Qe5+ Kd3 24. Bxd4, and the bishop wins the knight.> I assume that what you mean is 21 Qc1 Rxe3
22 Kxe3 Bc5+ 23 Nd4 Qe5+ 24 Kd3 Bxd4 |
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| Jul-02-22 | | Ulhumbrus: 10 Bxa6 moves the bishop a second time and concedes the bishop pair. 15 h3 disturbs the king side pawns. On the other hand 15 Ng3 makes it easier for Black to play ...d4. This is a sign that things have gone wrong for White. 19 f3 weakens the e pawn and one explanation is that on 19 0-0 Ding Liren is worried that Black will try the sacrifice ...Bxh3 21...Rxe3! may have come as a shock.
It is possible that Ding Liren was tired after his win against Caruana in the previous round. |
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Jul-02-22
| | FSR: <Olavi: This must be the worst game any player of similar standard has played since the 19th century, well Janowski had some also, but I wouldn't compere him to Ding.> A horrid game to be sure, but that's an overstatement. E.g., Deep Blue vs Kasparov, 1997 ; Larsen vs Spassky, 1970 ; Bisguier vs Larsen, 1965 ; Larsen vs Korchnoi, 1987. Plenty of other miniatures that Larsen lost. https://www.chessgames.com/perl/che... See generally Game Collection: Great players lose miniatures. |
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| Jul-02-22 | | whiteshark: <Paint it Black> Recap by Daniel ♔: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brN... (~17m10s) |
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| Jul-02-22 | | Olavi: <FSR> True. |
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| Jul-02-22 | | Olavi: Kasparov lost to Huzman, but that was a one move slip. Here everything went wrong for Ding. |
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| Jul-02-22 | | Olavi: Huzman vs Kasparov, 2003 Even the best of the best can make such blunders, and then it doesn't matter if it happens on move 19 or 59. |
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| Jul-02-22 | | SChesshevsky: Might be worth digging deeper in such an important game and surprising result. Heard that Predke, who is a force in this 7. a3 line, is what might be termed a specialist in attacking the Nimzo by white. The line looks like it might be considered something like a Nimzo Rubinstein Ne2 - Classical deferred. Seems like melding the two would cost time. Plus the a3 move pushes back the B to a very nice square which aims toward a relatively bare undeveloped kingside. Probably reducing that tempo gain. Seems the compensation is the possibility of 9. Nb5 attacking both the DSB and c7. Believe black's main response is 8...c6. But now that causes a cost tempo to get in the desired ...c5 and makes it awkward for the ...QN. Allowing white to catch up on time. Where he can go something like: 8.Qc2 c6 9.Nge2 Re8 10.Bd2 Na6 11.f3 c5 12.g4 c4 13.Bf5 Bxf5 14.Qxf5 Nc7, Predke - Firouzja 2021 World Blitz 
click for larger viewCertainly a different feel from what Ding got. Believe Ding was fully expecting 8...c6 and though might not have went for something as aggressive as Predke, probably had something fully solid with possible plusses in mind. Guessing that 8...Na6 was a bit of surprise. He very likely had seen this in prep if he choose the 7. a3 line and had something prepared. Believe he just lost the main gist of his analysis. Probably due to fatigue. But fatal when facing a prepared opponent in a sharp line that might be double-edged or even slightly dubious. As seen here. |
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| Jul-02-22 | | dehanne: Ding plays like a 1500 when he's not hooked up to Stockfish. |
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| Jul-02-22 | | cormier: -1.56 18... Qb8
-1.09 18... Qc8 19. O-O Bxh3 20. Qd3 Rd8 21. Qd4 Qg4 22. Qxg4 Bxg4 23. f3 Bd7 24. Kf2 Be7 25. Rfd1 Re8 26. Bc1 Be6 27. g4 Rb7 28. Rb2 Rxb2 29. Bxb2 Rb8 30. Bc1 Rb3 31. Rd2 Bxa3 32. Bxa3 -0.82 18... h6 19. O-O Qb8 20. Ba1 Rc8 21. Qa2 Rc5 22. Rfd1 Qc8 23. f3 Rc4 24. Rd3 a4 25. Qd2 Be6 26. Rd4 Rb8 27. Bb2 Bf8 28. Rxc4 Qxc4 29. Bc1 Nd7 30. Qd4 Nc5 31. Nf4 Rb3 32. Ncxd5 Bxd5 33. Nxd5 Qxd4 34. Rxd4 -0.81 18... Qa8 19. O-O Rfb8 20. Bc1 Be5 21. Qd3 Be6 22. Rfd1 h6 23. f3 a4 24. Nd4 Bc8 25. Rc2 Bd6 26. Qd2 Bf8 27. Nde2 Be6 28. Nd4 Bd7 29. Nce2 Bc8 30. Nc3 Be6 31. Nxe6 Rxe6 32. Ne2 Reb6 33. Nc3 Rb3 34. Nxd5 Stockfish 15, depth 29 |
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| Jul-02-22 | | cormier: -0.3 18. Ba1 Qc8 19. Qd3 Rb3 20. Qd4 Bc5 21. Qh4 Ba7 22. Rc1 Qc4 23. Qxc4 dxc4 24. a4 Rc8 25. O-O h6 26. Rfd1 Bc5 27. Nd4 Rb4 28. Rd2 Kh7 29. Rcc2 h5 30. Rc1 h4 31. Bb2 Bxd4 32. exd4 Bxa4 33. Ra1 -0.74 18. O-O Qc8 19. Nf4 Be5 20. Nfxd5 Nxd5 21. Rxd5 Rxb2 22. Qxb2 Bxc3 23. Qb6 Bf6 24. Rc5 Qd8 25. Qxa5 Be6 26. a4 Qxa5 27. Rxa5 Rd8 28. Rc1 h6 29. Ra7 Kh7 30. a5 Rd2 31. a6 Ra2 32. Rc5 Kg6 33. Rc6 Ra1+ 34. Kh2 Be5+ 35. f4 Bf6 -1.11 18. a4 Qc8
-1.38 18. Qd2 Qb8 19. Ba1 Bxa3 20. O-O Rc8 21. Nf4 Bb4 22. Qd4 Bc5 23. Qd2 d4 24. Ncd5 Nxd5 25. Nxd5 dxe3 26. fxe3 Rg6 27. Nf4 Rd6 28. Nd5 Qb3 29. Be5 Re6 30. Rb1 Qc4 31. Rf4 Qa6 32. Bd4 Qd6 33. Bxc5 Qxc5 34. Qd4 Qxd4 35. Rxd4 Be8 36. Rb7 Kf8 37. Ra7 a4 38. Kh2 Rd6 Stockfish 15, depth 28 |
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| Jul-02-22 | | ChessHigherCat: It seemed like Radjabov was playing all the logical moves with a series of sound plans and objectives, like undoubling his pawns and controlling the open files and systematically building up pressure, whereas Ding was just dicking around, if you'll excuse the phallacious language. |
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Jul-02-22
 | | perfidious: <CHC>, where <Ah> comes from, they calls that a logical phallacy. |
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| Jul-03-22 | | cormier: depth=45 | Stockfish 15 NNUE
-1.64 18... Qb8 19. O-O Rc8 20. Ba1 Bxa3 21. Qd1 Bb4 22. Nxd5 Nxd5 23. Rxd5 Bb5 24. Rg5 Bf8 25. Re1 h6 26. Be5 Qb7 27. Rg3 Bxe2 28. Qxe2 a4 29. f4 a3 30. Kh2 Qa6 31. Qa2 Rg6 32. Rf3 Rgc6 33. Rf2 Qd3 34. Rd2 Qg6 35. Red1 h5 36. Qd5 Rc1 37. Qf3 Rxd1 38. Rxd1 h4 39. Rd7 -1.27 18... Qc8 19. O-O Bxh3 20. Qd3 Rd8 21. Na4 Qg4 22. Ng3 Bxg2 23. Kxg2 Bxg3 24. fxg3 Qxa4 25. Bxf6 Rxf6 26. Rxf6 gxf6 27. Qd4 Qxa3 28. Qxf6 Qd6 29. Qg5+ Kf8 30. Qh4 d4 31. Rxd4 Qc6+ 32. Kh2 Qc2+ 33. Kg1 Rxd4 34. Qxd4 a4 35. Qh8+ Ke7 36. Qe5+ Kd7 37. Qd5+ Kc7 38. Qxf7+ Kb6 39. Qf8 Qc5 40. Qd8+ Kb5 41. Qd3+ Qc4 42. Qd6 Qc1+ 43. Kh2 a3 44. e4 Qc2+ 45. Kh3 a2 46. Qd5+ Ka4 47. Qd4+ Kb3 48. Qb6+ Kc3 49. Qf6+ Kd3 |
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| Jul-03-22 | | SChesshevsky: I'm giving Ding a pass on this one. It's extremely tough when you can't remember the prep for a sharp line. Plus Ding's brain is probably fried from a tough game with Duda, a brutal game with Rapport, and a taxing game with Caruana. Can see signs of his prep though. Probably remembers he wants to take the ...Na6 and wants to be careful with 0-0 too soon due to possible h2 sac or other kingside issues.Also probably remembers sacrificing queen side pawn, allowing passed pawn and simplifying was playable but unappetizing. So there appears some logic behind his moves. But remembering generalities without remembering exact timing might have been more hurtful than helpful. |
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Jul-03-22
 | | 0ZeR0: <SChesshevsky: I'm giving Ding a pass on this one. It's extremely tough when you can't remember the prep for a sharp line. Plus Ding's brain is probably fried from a tough game with Duda, a brutal game with Rapport, and a taxing game with Caruana. Can see signs of his prep though. Probably remembers he wants to take the ...Na6 and wants to be careful with 0-0 too soon due to possible h2 sac or other kingside issues.Also probably remembers sacrificing queen side pawn, allowing passed pawn and simplifying was playable but unappetizing. So there appears some logic behind his moves. But remembering generalities without remembering exact timing might have been more hurtful than helpful.> Me too. Anyone can have a bad game, even the greats. Chess requires such a consistent high level of mental fortitude, especially in complex and sharp positions, that a single disruption in focus or judgment (on or off the board) can prove fatal. The context you've provided regarding his previous games, as well as his preparation goes great lengths in explaining this result. Heck, sometimes all that's needed to perform below expectations at the board is having a bad day. I can attest to that. |
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| Jul-03-22 | | fabelhaft: In spite of being shared second, Ding hasn’t been at his best here. Not only the two quick losses with white but shaky play in several other games. |
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Jul-04-22
| | 0ZeR0: <fabelhaft: In spite of being shared second, Ding hasn’t been at his best here. Not only the two quick losses with white but shaky play in several other games.> True. I think it's fair to say most of the players haven't performed as well as they'd like to except for Nepo. |
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| Jul-04-22 | | SChesshevsky: <...Ding hasn't been at his best here...> Think on and off. 1st game versus Nepom not impressive. But very good against Duda, quite brilliant in middle game v. Rapport, and doggedly resourceful v. Caruana. Interesting discussion between Giri and Jan G. on the 13R broadcast. Think Giri mentioned a trend where prep is looking more toward surprising the opponent and willing to accept a slightly worse or even dubious position in return. Guess the amount of acceptable risk depends on the player and the situation. Might explain some of the puzzling play. |
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Jul-04-22
 | | HeMateMe: Don't give up your bishop pair. |
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| Jul-06-22 | | jerseybob: <10.Bxa6?!> This is a move that's dubious in the Benoni and it looks equally bad here. But only 10 moves in I've got to assume it's home prep. I like 8..Na6, showing black intends to fight. |
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Jul-07-22
 | | DaltriDiluvi: As <stridergene> pointed out above, after <9...c5> the present game is identical to this game which is nearly 90 years old: P Johner vs Bogoljubov, 1932 Johner played <10.dxc5> instead of Ding's <10.Bxa6>. Bogoljubov ended up losing the game, but I don't think it was because of the opening. |
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