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| Apr-13-23 | | stone free or die: OK, one more...
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| Apr-13-23 | | Ulhumbrus: 14...Na5 places the knight on the rim in return for preparing the attack ...c5 on the doubled pawns but unfortunately for Nepomniachtchi it seems that Ding Liren does not have to wait for this because he is able to dissolve his doubled pawn by the pawn sacrifice 15 c5! If after 17...Rad8 Nepomniachtchi is unable to make his extra pawn count one alternative is to return the pawn by 17...c4 in order to gain time towards attacking White's centre. After 18 c4 Black's queen is overworked in one respect: If she has to cover the h7 pawn she cannot then attack the e5 pawn as well. This suggests 18...g6 freeing the black queen to attack the e5 pawn eg 19 h3 Bc8 After the exchange sacrifice 20 Rxd4!! the sequel suggests that White's knight will become as powerful as a rook and White is able to make count his massive centre whereas Black is unable to make count his pawn majorities on either flank. This last point suggests that Ding Liren won this game in the style of Nepomniachtchi. |
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| Apr-13-23 | | dehanne: 28...g5 looks fine for black. |
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Apr-13-23
 | | Williebob: <Nepom Bomb> |
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| Apr-13-23 | | goodevans: <Ulhumbrus> Whilst I agree with everything that you said, awarding 20.Rxd4 with <!!> is just way too generous. It's a good move, obviously, but I'm not even sure it merits one '!' as pretty much any strong player would have found it. |
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| Apr-13-23 | | Ulhumbrus: <goodevans> The move is actually 29 Rxd4!! and not 20 Rxd4!! |
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Apr-13-23
 | | Atterdag: <Teyss: <WanneBe> I think it's coming from Messiah, e.g. Messiah chessforum (kibitz #344). Same as Carlsen = Justin (Bieber). Since he repeats these jokes so often it's almost common knowledge now.> Please don't call them jokes. They are just infantile provocations spawned by a puerile mind. |
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Apr-13-23
| | Williebob: "Bad joke" also works. |
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| Apr-13-23 | | goodevans: <Ulhumbrus: <goodevans> The move is actually 29 Rxd4!! and not 20 Rxd4!!> I copied it from your post without checking. But actually it's just plain old 29.Rxd4 (at least in my opinion). |
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Apr-13-23
 | | Teyss: <Atterdag> <Williebob> You're right of course. Wanted to put quotes, then thought no big deal and clicked on Post. |
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| Apr-13-23 | | Cassandro: <Wild Bill Hiccup> |
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Apr-13-23
 | | An Englishman: Good Afternoon: Humbling reminder of how far beneath GMs I played even at my "best." Would have played 13.Rab1 instead of 13.Bd3. Would have played 15.Nb3 instead of 15.c5. Would have played...well, would have played a *lot* worse than Ding. Simple enough conclusion. However, still don't like 6.bxc3. |
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| Apr-14-23 | | DansChessLounge: For analysis of the game, check out the video ---> https://youtu.be/AQAkAGDe2Rg |
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Apr-14-23
 | | Korora: <Teyss> It's a joke based on the fact that they both have the same level of musical talent. Or as Nepo would say, bears stepped on both their ears. |
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| Apr-14-23 | | GlennOliver: The best next move for Black, 47. ... Rg8, merely delays the inevitable. Interestingly, computer analysis seems to choose 48. Qh6 as White's response. But it seems to me that White playing 48. Rd8 wins more quickly and simply. What are your views? |
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Apr-14-23
 | | Sally Simpson: Hi Glen,
In totally lost positions with the evaluation well into double figures and many ways to win the computer will start going for obscure lines that either stave off the mate the longest or eventually mate the quickest. ----
During the game I was looking at here;
click for larger viewWhite playing 13 Qa4 offering the e-pawn. 13...Rxe4 14.d5 Nb8 (forced) 15.Bd3 it looked interesting. |
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| Apr-14-23 | | RookFile: What a positional crush. |
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| Apr-14-23 | | SChesshevsky: <GlennOliver>
I'm not sure why but it seems engines sometimes have a tendency to go for a sadistic line even if it's more complicated. Once they see there is no real danger, they go to completely wipe out all the opponents pieces. Remember seeing an analysis where, think it might've been Leela, did it to, think it was Stockfish. Guessing that might be the case here. |
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| Apr-14-23 | | Ulhumbrus: < An Englishman: Good Afternoon: Humbling reminder of how far beneath GMs I played even at my "best." Would have played 13.Rab1 instead of 13.Bd3. Would have played 15.Nb3 instead of 15.c5. Would have played...well, would have played a *lot* worse than Ding. Simple enough conclusion. However, still don't like 6.bxc3.> On 15 Nb3 let us try a few moves: 15...Qg5 16 c5 Bf3 17 Bf1 Bxg2 18 Bxg2 f3 and White can't stop the coming capture 19...Qxg2+ mate. Well, that is one set of choices that White can't afford to make. |
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Apr-14-23
 | | WannaBe: Here's the analysis of my proposed 46. Qe4+ move, computer's recommended move is 46. Re1+ but both were not played OTB. 46.Qe4+
+- mate-in-19 after 46.Re1+ Kd7 47.Qe4 Rh6 48.Rd1+ Kc7 49.Qe5+ Kc8; 46...Kf7 47.Qh7+ Ke6 48.c5 bxc5 49.Qg7 Rf5 50.Qh6+ Kxe7 +- mate-in-21 |
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| Apr-14-23 | | goodevans: <WannaBe> So 46.Qe4+ Kf7 47.Qh7+ Ke6 and we're back to where we started (as per my post yesterday). Interesting then that it then continues 48.c5 when in the exact same position two moves earlier it wanted to play 46.Re1+. It may interest you to know, if you don't already, that almost all chess engines can't recognise when the same position arises either through repetition or transposition and will often give a different evaluation to the two identical positions (although that's not the case here). I think this is possibly the last aspect of chess where we DNA-based mortals are still superior to the silicon monsters, unless you can think of any others. |
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| Apr-14-23 | | virginmind: That was a slow assasination! How could Ding do this to Nepo? |
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Apr-15-23
| | An Englishman: Good Evening: <Ulhumbrus> correctly agrees with my low opinion of my ability, but would never play a move like 16.c5??--not even at my "best." |
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| Apr-16-23 | | Ulhumbrus: <An Englishman: Good Evening: <Ulhumbrus> correctly agrees with my low opinion of my ability, but would never play a move like 16.c5??--not even at my "best."> I shouldn't dream of suggesting that your ability was low. I merely gave one possible sequence of moves starting with 15 Nb3 that would not work. |
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| Dec-07-24 | | cehertan: An old-fashioned positional crush, something you do not often see in WC play these days. |
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