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| May-02-04 | | Dudley: <Clock 1913> Rarely played by anyone with any skill? Try Garry Kasparov who sparked a comeback of this ancient line. To say that a line which breaks a fundamental opening principle (Qh4) gives a slight plus for black seems highly questionable to say the least. If you underestimate this opening, you can be very sorry. When white gets an initiative, it is very hard to break and the winning chances for black are slim. |
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| May-02-04 | | ruylopez900: What do Scotch players think of Black not taking the pawn and just playing 3...d6 with an eye towards castling queenside? |
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| May-02-04 | | acirce: <ruylopez900> That's a passive way of playing and I would feel pleasant if I met it with White. You could steer into the Steinitz variation of Ruy Lopez with 4. Bb5 or you could choose another developing move. |
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| May-02-04 | | Clock1913: I said rarely played. I didn't say not at all. the fact of the fact on the matter is, is that most players don't know ba5. Oh, also. If Garry kasparov played 1.A4 against me I'd be scared. So the scotch isnt that odd. |
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| May-02-04 | | Clock1913: I don't play on ICC anymore so log on pogo. We can play this opening and maybe you could show me how you beat me with this opening. You could also show this to IM Lugo who was unable to do so. |
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| May-02-04 | | dafish298: im sure mr. kasparov would be happy to show you a thing or two about the scotch clock..as well as IM lugo whoever the hell that is |
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| May-02-04 | | acirce: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches... |
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| May-03-04 | | ruylopez900: <NICE!> 16/20 point by my count for Kasparov with the Scotch, and not against tiddlywink players...against Karpov in their WC match and all the way through the 90s. Impressive (makes you wonder if he uses it anymore, or just as a surprise weapon?) |
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| May-06-04 | | monkey donkey: Kasparov has several other games as White with the Scotch that are not found here. They include another game v. Michael Adams (1-0), a rapid match against Anand (1/2-1/2), a game at the Corfu sim (1-0), a game against Veselin Topalov at Las Palmas (1/2-1/2) and a game against Etienne Bacrot in Sarajevo (1-0). Additionally 2 of the 20 games listed here are duplicates (1 v. Short and 1 v. Karpov). Interestingly these 23 games as White (and 1 as Black in 21st Linares) against generally top-calibur competition have never seen Qh4 played against the Scotch. I think that that more than anything else speaks to the relative strength of the theory behind that reply as veiwed by those at the highest levels. |
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| Jul-11-04 | | get Reti: The bad thing about playing Qh4 as black is that after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Nxd4 Qh4
5.Nb5 Bb4+ 6.Bd2 Qxe4+ 7.Be2, black must play Kd8 stopping him from castling. |
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| Jul-11-04 | | seoulmama: Clock, your claims are ridiculous, to say the least. 4... Qh4 offers Black nothing but arduous defence against an imaginative White player. |
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| Jul-11-04 | | uponthehill: Instead of 4. Nxd4 I prefer 4. Bc4 (Scotch gambit). It's rather rare opening, but I like it very much. |
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| Jul-11-04 | | acirce: Interesting <uponthehill>, it's probably not that bad after all. Nakamura played it and won in this year's Wijk aan Zee - H Nakamura vs Fressinet, 2004 |
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| Jul-11-04 | | uponthehill: <acirce> Thanks for the link! |
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| Jul-21-04 | | johnqwoodpusher: <acirce> Re: 4. Bb5 I agree. Here's a pretty win I had last weekend in tournament play -- 1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. d4 d6
4. Bb5 Bd7
5. O-O Qf6??
6. Nc3 Nge7
7. Nd5 Nxd5?
8. exd5 Nxd4
9. Nxd4 Bxb5
10. Nxb5 Kd7?
11. Qg4+ Ke8
12. Nxc7 1-0
Of course, 6. ...Qf6 was terrible, but even with 6. ...Nf6, with accurate play I don't see equality for black until move 12 or 13. I was pretty happy with this game, as I only learned the rules of chess ~4 months ago. |
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| Jul-21-04 | | Jesuitic Calvinist: 4 months? Congratulations - a good start. |
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| Jul-21-04 | | beenthere240: All I observed is that the tournament record for black after 4...qh4 is pretty favorable. There's also an interesting game in the collection in which black offers to sacrifice the exchange (allowing the Nxc7 fork) --a little like the famous sac in the vienna), but the game turned into an agreed upon draw after 20 moves or so. |
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| Jul-21-04 | | johnqwoodpusher: <Jesuitic Calvinist> Thanks. :-) |
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| Jul-21-04 | | OneBadDog: Kasparov won with the Scotch because he was Kasparov. The Scotch is a good opening, but the Ruy is better. Black seems to have a lot of equalizing lines against the Scotch. Although Black often equalizes against the Ruy, he often has to suffer in order to do so. |
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| Aug-09-04 | | trogdor: If you play 4.Bc4 instead of Nxd4 what do u do if black plays 4...Bb4+ ? |
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Aug-09-04
 | | tpstar: <johnqwoodpusher> Hello! Great job on your fine win, particularly impressive for being so new to chess. Forgive my confusion about your annotations, however 5 ... Qf6 looks more like "!?" or "?!" since it doesn't directly lose anything and facilitates ... 0-0-0. The real blunder was 9 ... Bxb5?? losing a piece to 10. Nxb5; instead 9 ... exd4 10. Re1+ Be7 11. Bxd7+ Kxd7 12. Re4 regaining the Pawn seems fairly equal. Here's an interesting game in your line = Schlechter vs Blackburne, 1899 |
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| Aug-19-04 | | johnqwoodpusher: <tpstart> Thanks. :-) I thought he was looking for O-O-O also. Your idea is interesting. The reason I gave Qf6?? was that there is a hole at d5 where I can put my queen's knight, forking the unguarded c7 pawn and the queen. At least that was the idea and black let me carry it through. Also, I could have played Bg5 and then the queen has to move to e6 or g6, where it seems to me to sit rather uncomfortably, and both of which allow my bishop to prevent O-O-O at least for the time being. I suppose black has f6 or Nf6 after that which probably equalizes. At any rate, your line is clearly much better for black. What do you think about 12. Qg4+ ..., forcing the king to move back to the back rank (inhibiting the rooks somewhat) and attacking the pawn on e4? It still seems fairly equal, but I think white has something of an advantage, i.e. space and piece activity. |
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Aug-20-04
| | tpstar: <johnqwoodpusher> Yes, Black moved the Queen way too early and suffered for it, so 5 ... Qf6?! is the best notation. But maybe reserve "??" for outright blunders (like 9 ... Bxb5??) instead of dubious plans. In the revised line 12. Qg4+ is strong, then 12 ... Kd8 (12 ... Ke8? 13. Bg5) 13. Re4 h5 14. Qd1 (14. Qe2!? c5!? trying to keep the extra Pawn) with chances for both sides but still mostly even. Note White's spatial advantage is offset by the material deficit (Pd4), also less valuable with fewer pieces on the board, but there's an interesting late middlegame to play out. |
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| Aug-21-04 | | johnqwoodpusher: <tpstar> Good analysis. I have to agree with you now that Qf6?! and Bxb5?? are better. :-) |
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| Oct-05-04 | | Giancarlo: With such a good winning % for white, it's not a tops opening for a GM standard today. Although I do recall Kasparov playing it some time ago against Short, right? Anyways, why the RuyLopez so much more favoured then this in GM's today? |
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