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| Jul-18-02 | | mprchess: I hate this opening. |
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| Jan-02-03 | | mattchess: I am studying this opening. Currently, I am reviewing "The Ultimate King's Indian Attack" by Dunnington. Any advice re. other good books or sources of study? |
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| Jan-02-03 | | mdorothy: I'm not gonna use as heavy words as saying that I hate the opening, but I don't often play it, its just not my cup 'o tea.... I never got into it. |
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| Jan-03-03 | | judokausa1: The KIA is more theme based than move based. I would look over all the games played by Fischer and any other games by GM you can get your hands on. Look at thematic attacks, sacs and pawn breaks. |
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| Jan-05-03 | | Chesspupil101KSA: Why is this opening so popular today? It doesn't follow most of the rules in opening. It doesn't control much of the center and it moves a pawn that opens up only one piece when I can play e4 and open up two pieces. |
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| Apr-12-03 | | Benjamin Lau: Actually, it follows the "rules" in opening pretty well. The knight on f3 restrains your opponent from moving the king pawn to e4. This is a form of control in itself. White's most popular next move in the above position is bg2. Once the knight leaves its current post in search of greener pastures, the Bishop will become activated and its long sweeping powers will give white a control over the center. As for the reason white moves a pawn from g2 to g3, opening one piece instead of two, you have to realize several things:
(1) Yes, it is important to open up several pieces instead of one whenever possible but it must be noted that the extra pieces opened up rarely become of use until a little later, the time by which white should have opened up several pieces too (have you seriously ever immediately moved your queen and bishop out after 1.e4? Of course not- there are too many enemy pawns that can threaten them)
(2) One of the pieces opened up by 1.e4 is the queen and in most games, she rarely sees play until the middle game so she is not an issue. Also, the reason the King's Indian Attack is so popular is because it is extremely flexible. As judokausa1 pointed out, it's based on themes and not specific moves. Also, the opening requires very little knowledge of theory (although it certainly helps of course) and so it's rather enjoyable for both amateurs and masters. |
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| May-25-03 | | reekingskunk: Isn't the king's indian attack generally a setup with pawns on e4, d3, and g3, Bishop on g2,and knights on f3 and d2? |
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| May-27-03 | | dbailey: Not only is this a good opening in its own right, but it can also be turned into many different openings. I was playing a game and we started with this opening, and soon enough, we were in a QGD. I have also used this to get into favorable spots for the English Opening. |
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| May-27-03 | | Benjamin Lau: Reekingskunk- you're right, that's the usual followup, but it doesn't HAVE to be like that. That's probably the most common way, but it isn't the only way. See Viktor Korchnoi vs Ludek Pachman, Buenos Aires, 1960. Korchnoi starts with what you see above but decides that the typical setup may be inferior to one oriented towards queenside expansion. |
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| May-27-03 | | Parteepants: I'm new here, and may not know what I'm talking about, but isn't one advantage of the KIA is that you really only need to learn the one system? For example, if you play e2 to e-4, you have to be prepared to play agaist the Pirc, French, Sicilian etc. If you follow e2-e4, with n-f3, you then have to be ready for the Philidor's, Petroff's and so forth. So, in one way, learning a system like this might reduce the amount of preparation you need. Again, just my two cents.
Bye now,
Parteepants |
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| May-27-03 | | Benjamin Lau: Yeah Parteepants, that's the joy of the King's Indian Attack- flexibility. It can handle (almost; I have heard it suffers against certain Sicilian formations) any system employed by black. That's one of the reasons it's a favorite of beginners- almost no theory whatsoever. Whenever you use the King's Indian Attack against another system, you can always frame things in a familiar position. |
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| May-28-03 | | dbailey: There are many systems i use against the KIA when i'm black. 1. .. d5 ; 1. .. Nf6 ; 1. .. d6
all with favorable positions for black. I found that the london system works best against the KIA, especially with the bishop on f5 to win the center due to whites delaying of the e2-e4. I think a good pawn wall to stop the "reach" of White's g2 bishop works the best. Against the system above, i think the old fashion 2. c4 instead of 2. g3 will throw off some opponents. If they grap the pawn, white will have superior development, while if they push the pawn, they over-extended their front, making it easy to attack from the flanks. And if they support it with 2. .. e6 then you could go into the KIA with a better position due to black's pawn structure. |
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| May-29-03 | | Benjamin Lau: <Dbailey>, 2. c4 (in response to 1. d4) is a transposition to the Queen's Gambit. It's not the King's Indian Attack. And yeah, the Queen's Gambit is pretty cool. |
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| May-30-03 | | Benjamin Lau: for white. |
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| May-30-03 | | Benjamin Lau: It's quite amazing how much better the King's Indian Attack is than the King's Indian Defense. Could the extra tempo really be that significant? Or could there be other factors... |
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| May-30-03 | | drukenknight: Statistically speaking it is probably not the best opening, or that the people playing it our somewhat below average. It helps to know the break down of wins/losses in chess: 36% white wins, 26% black, and 38% draw. Something close to that. Here we see the database games for K Ind attack are a few pts lower for white and a couple less for black. Perhaps 2% below the average outcome for white. So not bad. But you can find better. |
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| May-30-03 | | dbailey: 1. Nf3 d5 2. c4 is also know as a Reti system. |
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| May-30-03 | | drukenknight: Blundering through the Kings Indian w/ DK. You know what I hate about facing the Kings Indian? It never goes like its supposed to in the books. You sit down and buy a book with a whole collection of these and most of them the guys are sitting behind their fianchettos lobbing pawns at one another, finally there is some tiny positional mistake and he loses. You study all this stuff over and over and then you sit down and try to play and the board just explodes, no one is where they are supposed to be; least of all the Kings. 1 e4 d6 2 Nf3 g6 3 Bc4 Bg7 4 c3 Nf6 5 Ng5 00 6 h4 6...Bg4 7 f3 d5 8 Nxf7 Rxf7 9 exd5 Nxd5 10 Qb3 e6 11 fxg4 Be5 12 00 (idiot!) 12...Qxh4 13 Rf4 Rxf4 14 Bxd5 Qh1+ and 0-1 aaaaaaaaaaaagh! aaaaaaaaaaagh! dont you hate that? |
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| May-30-03 | | Benjamin Lau: It's probably not the best opening in high level tournaments but it's pretty good against computers (or so at least Kasparov claims) and it's a good system for beginners trying to hone their positional skills. |
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| May-30-03 | | Benjamin Lau: <drunkenknight>, yeah I agree with you on this ("It never goes like its supposed to in the books. You sit down and buy a book with a whole collection of these and most of them the guys are sitting behind their fianchettos lobbing pawns at one another, finally there is some tiny positional mistake and he loses. You study all this stuff over and over and then you sit down and try to play and the board just explodes, no one is where they are supposed to be; least of all the Kings.") I've had this problem with the Sicilian, when I play against beginners who are used to e5 instead of c5. I've seen ridiculous / unusual responses all the way from 2. d3 to 2. d4 all the way to 2. Nc3. |
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| May-31-03 | | Shadout Mapes: 2.Nc3 is not bad, it's probably the third most used choice after Nf3 and c3. A closed Sicilian would be a good choice for a more passive player who does not fare well when complications arise, or a more positional than tactical game, which would not make black happy. |
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| May-31-03 | | drukenknight: Yeah don't you hate those guys who don't know the book line? It throws you completely off. THe problem with the sicilian as white is that I dont like to follow the book line, so instead I try to play something like d3 or c3 or whatever pawn it is. And what happens? The other guy just buries me in pawns. He outpawns me! It's ridiculous. You know who could play that closed sicilian well? Spassky. Check out his games against Geller in the 60s. Geller as black would kill Fischer in the sicilian because they both played so agressively. So Spassky plays the close sicilian as white and Geller falls apart! it's ridiculous. Usually when I play closed it is a bad sign when you see one of his knights become hyperactive. Let's see if I can come up with an example: 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 Nc6 (already he doesnt know how to play this) 3 Bb5! (recommended by Nimzo.) 3...Nf6 (a moron) 4 e5 Nd5 5 c4 Nf4 6 g3? Nd3+ Oh just forget it 0-1. |
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| May-31-03 | | Benjamin Lau: <Shadout Mapes>, the only problem is that some of the beginners I play don't even know they're playing the closed Sicilian :-) I once told a beginner he didn't know the Sicilian very well. When he had no idea what I was talking about, he told him the Sicilian was 1. e4 c5. His response? "Sicilian = pizza to me." :-) |
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| Jul-17-03 | | sharkbite5000: I wonder if anyone can help me with this line; I've had some bad results and have almost abandoned my loveable KIA:
1.Nf3 Nc6 2. g3 e5 3. d3 Bc5 4. Bg2 Nf6 5. h3 d5 6. ? (6. ...e4 by black is immnent) |
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| Jul-17-03 | | Benjamin Lau: <Benjamin Lau: Actually, it follows the "rules" in opening pretty well. The knight on f3 restrains your opponent from moving the king pawn to e4. This is a form of control in itself. >
Oops, I just noticed my error. I meant to say "restrains e5." "e4" is for the King's Indian Defense, not the King's Indian Attack, d'oh! |
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