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| Jun-14-04 | | get Reti: thanks, dudely |
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| Jun-14-04 | | get Reti: Dudely, what if after 5... Bg4, 6. h3 Bb4? |
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| Jun-14-04 | | Dudley: Well, 7.hxg4 BxN+ 8.bxB Qxc3+ 9.Bd2 keeps the piece, doesn't it? By the way, 5. Nf3 e4? 6.Ng5 f5? 7.Bc4 and black falls far behind in development. |
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| Jun-15-04 | | Helloween: <get Reti> I don't think your move is better than what Angelov played. By the way, 5...Qxd5 is not a possible move, so I'll assume you mean 5...Qxe5+. Acually, 5.dxe5 has overtaken <Dudley's> 5.Nf3 as the main book move in that position due to excellent results for White. If 5...Qxe5+, then 6.Be2 Bb4 7.Nf3!? Bxc3+ 8.bxc3 Qxc3+ 9.Bd2 Qc5 10.Rb1 is a pawn sacrifice that gives White an enormous lead in development, or White can play calmly(instead of 7.Nf3!?)with 7.Bd2 Bg4 8.Nb5! Bxe2 9.Qxe2 Bxd2+ 10.Kxd2 Qxe2+ 11.Nxe2 with an obviously wonderful lead, thanks to the threat on c7, his lead in development and the fact that his Rooks get to the central files first. Black is all but forced to play 11...Kd8(11...Na6? 12.Rad1 0-0-0+ 13.Kc1 and the a7 pawn is lost). |
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| Jun-17-04 | | refutor: i have a question about the icelandic gambit...is it a strategic victory for black if white declines it and goes into a french exchange instead? 1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Nf6 3.c4 e6 4.d4
i would assume that 4. ... exd5 would be best here |
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| Jun-28-04 | | MatrixManNe0: I, too, am trying to find a sharp defense, esp. a gambit, to the move 1. e4. This morning, I thought of a variation to the Scandinavian: 1. e4 d5 2. exd5 c6
It has been used in the database here, unfortunately, I cannot check the name for this variation and other specifics, as I am not a member (sorry, chessgames.com!). Has anyone had experience with this, and why is it so impopular? |
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| Jun-28-04 | | acirce: <why is it so impopular?> Because it loses a pawn! :) |
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| Jun-28-04 | | AgentRgent: <1. e4 d5 2. exd5 c6> I've seen this called the Blackburn Gambit-Scandinavian and it's considered unsound due to 3.dxc6 Nxc6 4.Nf3 e5 5.Bb5. |
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| Jun-28-04 | | MatrixManNe0: So, rather than 4... e5, is 4... a6 acceptable, as I did see 5. Bb5 while analyzing the position. |
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| Jun-28-04 | | AgentRgent: : <MatrixManNe0: is 4... a6 acceptable>? After 4...a6 black will have given back the initiative, in effect surrendering the pawn for nothing. If this sort of line appeals to you, I'd suggest you look at 1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Nf6 3. c4 c6 the Scandinavian Gambit, but I'm afraid 2...c6 is simply an unsound gambit. |
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| Jun-29-04 | | MatrixManNe0: Alright, well thanks for the suggestion, I'll try that out. By the way, does anyone know of any other slightly popular gambits against 1. e4? I don't like to play the Sicilian, as my opponents don't usually play d4, the Caro-Kann usually leads me to closed lines, which I can't cope with, the French defense locks the light-squared B in, and I don't want to play a normal Spanish/Italian game, as 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 f4 doesn't appeal to me either. What other defenses are there? |
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| Jun-29-04 | | AgentRgent: <MatrixManNe0> The Scandinavian Defense is a fine defense for players at most levels. It's immediately confrontational, forcing white to play your lines rather than his, thus minimizing the theory you have to learn. It also offers chances for several good gambits, the Icelandic Gambit (1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Nf6 3. c4 e6!?), the Scandinavian gambit (1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Nf6 3. c4 c6) already discussed, as well as The Portuguese Variation (1. e4 d5 2.exd5 Nf6 3. d4 Bg4) which is a temporary gambit. All in all, after a little study on your part, I think you'll find the Scandinavian (either 2...Qxd5 or 2...Nf6) to be an effective counter to 1. e4, offering excellent chances with the black pieces. |
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| Jun-29-04 | | MatrixManNe0: I really appreciate the help, thanks a bunch. I believe the Scandinavian may become a major part of my opening repertoire. |
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| Aug-01-04 | | crepo: this variation kick ass 1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Nf6 3. d4 Bg4 4. f3 Bf5 5. c4 e6 6. dxe6 Nc6 very sharp |
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| Oct-19-04 | | girke: I totally agree Crepo, but white can play much better than 6.dxe6 which really is a bad move. How do you suggest black should continue after 6.Qb3!
I am currently playing two corr. matches with this line. 6.Qb3 exd5 7.Qxb7 Nbd7 8.c5 Bxc5?! I think whites best is 9.Qb4 after which white has the upperhand |
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| Oct-21-04 | | crepo: well 6.Qb3!? very interesting |
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| Oct-23-04 | | girke: Yes 6.Qb3 is very interesting. I have a perfect score with black against the lines 6.dxe6 Nc6. 5 wins against 7.exf7, 3 wins against 7.d5 and 2 wins against 7.Ne2.
But 100% loss against 6.Qb3. At the moment I am playing 2 corr. games continueing 6.Qb3 exd5 7.Qxb7 Nbd7, but maybe black should play 6...b6?! or even 6...Qc8?! |
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| Oct-23-04 | | sandyobrien: Ah.... my most hated opening :) |
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| Nov-19-04 | | drukenknight: Center Counter, I finally win one of these with my 2 Nc3 attack, this is from blitz today. It is a good example of playing positionally on the K side in order to take advantage of the B movement, that you see in this and Caro Kann (especially carokann) 1. e4 d5 2. Nc3 dxe4 3. Nxe4 Bf5
4. Qe2 (would you believe this move leaves book? Why not get the Q out there and work the e file pin)4…Nc6 5. d3 e6 6. Ng3 Bg6 7. h4 h6 (idea: dont push whites h pawn to the fifth rank until something tangible can be gained, I was studying this for any positional advant.)
8. Nf3 f6 (I don’t like this move but computer does 9. h5 (now I push the pawn) 9...Bh7 10. Nh4 Nge7
11. Be3 Nd4 12. Qd2 Nec6
13. c3 Nb5 14. O-O-O Ne5 (turns out badly) 15. f4 (now I can really get a pawn formation on the 6th rank) Nc6 16. f5 e5 17. Ng6 Rg8 18. d4 Nd6
19. dxe5 Bxg6 20. hxg6 fxe5 21. Qd5 Rh8 22. Bb5 Qd7 23. Bxc6 (it went downhill from there 1-0) |
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Nov-20-04
 | | An Englishman: Good Morning: drukenknight, this is actually a transposition to the Dunst Opening, 1.Nc3. Best is supposed to be 2...d4 in response to 1.Nc3,d5; 2.e4. Your idea should work very well in practice, because a Scandinavian player probably doesn't like the closed positions which arise in the 2...d4 Dunst, even if they are good for equality. |
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| Nov-20-04 | | refutor: here's an old 1850-esque idea similar to tchigorin's line v. the falkbeer (1.e4 e5 2.f4 d5 3.exd5 e4 4.Bb5+?!) 1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Nf6 3.Bb5+ |
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| Nov-20-04 | | WMD: <1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Nf6 3.Bb5+> I regularly meet this on ICC and play usually continues 3...Bd7 4.Bc4 b5 5.Bb3 a5 6.a3 when I'm torn between playing 6...a4, 6...c6 and 6...Bg4. |
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| Nov-24-04 | | drukenknight: Here is a Center Counter from earlier today on icc. I think my two knights tango in reverse can be met by liguidation in the center (...Bxe4), I have seen strong players do that and then mobilize the black Q. 1. e4 d5
2. Nc3 dxe4
3. Nxe4 Bf5
4. Qe2 Nc6
5. d3 Nd4 (this was a shock to me)
6. Qd2 Qd7
7. c3 Nc6
8. Nc5 Qc8 (computer says ..Qd5)
9. Be2 e6
10. g4 Bg6
11. Qe3 Nf6
12. Bf3 Bxc5
13. Qxc5 Qd7
14. Bf4 O-O-O
It's hard to see...Qd5 when you're playing moves real fast, thats the kind of thing that separates stronger players maybe... |
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| Nov-27-04 | | gauer: Since today is the Opening of the Day for Scandinavian, I'll ask what people think of the Declined lines of the Gambit: specifically (2 Nc3 + 3 e3 after d4 is played - looking like KIA / reversed french setup), (2 e5) & here's a typical line which I'd explored today of similar nature of what appears at our club on the black side with player 700+ CFC rating points higher than I (now you see why I don't play the boring MK Gambit lines)[White "Javier Pinedo"] [Black "Anna Levina"] 1. e4 d5 2. e5 c5 3. f4 Nc6 4. Nf3 Bg4 5. c3 and here's where things start to diverge: 5 ... f6 6. ♗b5 ♕c7 7. O-O a6 8. ♗xc6+ ♕xc6 9. h3 ♗xf3 10. ♕xf3 ♘h6 11. d4 ♘f5 12. g4 ♘h6 13. f5 ♘f7 14. e6 1/2 - with wh (Bb5, Pd(3 or 4), h3, g4), blk (Pe6, Pd4, h6) - (described as a formation, not a specific move-order) being former club play in Regina, SK. It tends to look like a better French for Black since the QB is developed, but I'll hammer against the Caro-Kan / French with white anyday. Are either of these two plans any better than accepting the invite to the gambit, or should I bail and reluctantly play 1(c or d)4?! instead? He'll consistently play 1 ... d5?! I award this a "dubious" since no club player at my approx. rating has played it as strongly against me anyways. Also, chessgames staff: the "find similar" button doesn't reveal many matches here. |
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| Nov-27-04 | | WMD: On 1.e4 d5 2.e5 I always play 2...Bf5, intending the set-up ...e6, ...c5, ...Nc6 and ...Qb6. Black has a solid position, with attacking chances if White gets over-ambitious. If White plays for Bb5 and Bxc6, ...bxc6 opening up the b-file is fine for Black. |
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