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| Oct-05-04 | | clocked: <Giancarlo> Sergei Rublevsky seems to like it |
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| Oct-05-04 | | Spassky69: What about the scotch with Nb3!? Here's a pretty nice win I had on playchess.com against an IM. I keep the initaitive the whole game. 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Nxd4 Bc5 5.Nb3 Bb6 6.Nc3 Qf6 7.f4 Nge7
8.Na4 Qe6 9.Bd3 Nb4 10.Nxb6 Nxd3+ 11.Qxd3 axb6 12.Nd4 Qd6 13.Nb5 Qc5
14.Be3 Qc6 15.Nd4 Qg6 16.O-O O-O 17.f5 Qf6 18.Nb5 Qxb2 19.Bd4 Qb4
20.Rab1 Qa4 21.Bxg7 1-0 |
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| Oct-11-04 | | refutor: any opinions on a strong line v. the scotch? i play 4. ...Qh4 and have a good percentage with it, but i can't help but feel it's a little dodgy |
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| Oct-11-04 | | PinkPanther: <refutor>
Check out the 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 4.d4 exd4 5.Nxd4 Bc5 stuff, it's trendy these days. |
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| Oct-12-04 | | Virgin: Whats your nick on playchess Spassky? I will look out for you! |
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 | | tpstar: <Virgin> Hello! Welcome to the group! What is your preference in the Scotch Opening? I also like 4 ... Bc5 but there are chances for both sides. Do you ever play on Yahoo? If so, what's your nick? See you around! |
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| Nov-04-04 | | Backward Development: i think this is a good intro to opening theory and a good line for a tactical player. One of my students who is strong with tactics had no knowledge of opening theory and i chose this as something he should practice as e4 e5 nf3 nc6 is very common at his level. the ideas are fairly clean cut and white has a good middlegame and endgame with it. |
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| Nov-10-04 | | ongyj: Hi Chessgames.com! Well, I've been an 'opening explorer' for quite a while, and recently got interested in the Scotch Opening. In my humble opinion, Black's most aggresive counterplay is 4...Qh4! Just because it violates the opening guideline of not moving the Queen out early doesn't mean it must be bad.(Has any white player dare to say that he/she can demolish Centre counter 100% of the time?) In fact 4...Qh4 forces white to make unhappy choices. Black need not be slaughtered just for not castling. Also, eventual ...Qd8 return of the Queen back to it's original position is also a solution. It's just the player's choice as Black if he/she is willing to do it. I just feel that 4...Nf6 and/or 4...Bc5 allows White to 'remain in good shape' and only a move like 4...Qh4 upsets White's position altogether. Talking about Statistics? Look at chessbase.com's database and you may be surprised how successful 4...Qh4 is, even at top levels. I'm not, of course:) Just because Ruy Lopez is more often played at all levels as compared to the Scotch really doesn't mean that Scotch is inferior to Ruy. In fact I can argue that in the Scotch till 3.d4 all 3 moves are conventionally good moves with respect to opening theory. However 3.Bb5 may be viewed as an 'early misplace of the Bishop'. Of course there are other point of views to consider, my point is that just because everyone else plays the Ruy doesn't make Ruy better than Scotch. How unfair it is to say that Ruy is better... Of course you may prefer it for a reason, but I dare say that the Scotch offers as much 'play' as the Ruy. Comments and Criticisms, please. Thank you :) |
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| Nov-10-04 | | Dudley: The Scotch was the very first opening I learned but I had to wait 30 years for it to come back to the bigtime. I think it was Blackburne who said something to the effect that a young player should play the Scotch and he will find out if he has any talent for this game. I don't think the type of player who is attracted to the Scotch game is overly concerned about his position or whether he has to sac a few pawns or pieces. He's not looking for a nice comfortable game-he's looking to draw some blood. 4...Qh4 looks like the kind of thing that might work as an occasional surprise but is not going to be an important line. There are tactical chances for both sides, but 5.Nb5 or 5.Nc3 both look dangerous for Black to me. In a wide open game like the Scotch, both players should be very careful with their queens and 4...Qh4 breaks a fundamental principle which results in not being able to castle. Not usually a good idea in open games. |
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| Nov-10-04 | | Dudley: The Ruy is just so much more positionaly complex, and as played most of the time by the GMs is really a closed, strategic type of game. I don't know if it's really better than the Scotch, but it usually leads to the type of game they like to play. I have usually preferred the Scotch or Scotch gambit when I play 1.e4 but am experimenting with the Bishop's opening as a means of getting Ruy type positions without knowing much theory. The Scotch game is definitely more direct but can lead to massive piece exchanges and simplified endgames that get a little tiresome. On the other hand, positional chess can get a little tiresome too. |
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| Nov-11-04 | | e4Newman: <On the other hand, positional chess can get a little tiresome too.> I am often waiting to achieve that perfect setup in my games, and then I remember that quote that goes something like "forget about it, checkmate ends the game". I think it was Capablanca or Fine. |
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| Nov-11-04 | | e4Newman: <"Modern chess is too much concerned with things like pawn structures. Forget it -- checkmate ends the game." - N. Short> |
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| Dec-05-04 | | ongyj: I believe 4...Qh4 is a good defence against the Scotch, because Black can choose the way he wants the game to be. For instance, 4...Qh4 5.Nb5... Black can either accept the challenge and play 5...Qxe4+ or make a more solid approach with 5...Bc5 6.Qf3 Bb6 and I believe Black can hold this position. For instance, 7.Be3 Ba4+ or 7.Bf4 d6 ectera. Comments and/or criticisms, anyone? Thanks. |
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| Feb-04-05 | | deshad: I think if you want to play 4...Qh4 as black, you'd better learn all the miniatures in the database--there are quite a few. It's probably my favorite to play against, although I rarely see it. |
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| Feb-04-05 | | deshad: In 4...Qh4, black can sometimes grab the e4 pawn, but white's lead in development means that any little misstep by black can be fatal. Here's one of my games where my opponent didn't know what he was doing. 1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. d4 exd4
4. Nxd4 Qh4
5. Nc3 Bb4
6. Be2 Qxe4
7. Ndb5 Bxc3+ (7...Qe5 8. f4)
8. bxc3 Kd8
9. O-O Nf6
10. Bf3 Qh4
11. Be3 d6
12. Re1 Bd7
13. Rb1 a6
14. Nxd6 and black is lost, although he played a few more moves
(14...cxd6 15. Bb6+) |
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| Feb-15-05 | | chess man: I play the Scotch quite often because I like it's results. |
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| Feb-16-05 | | MUG: <chessman> lol. I can't think of a better reason then that! :-) |
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| Feb-19-05 | | Backward Development: Hi, I play the Scotch from time to time, but have hit a wall against a little move order problem. I like playing 'Kasparov's' main line(3...exd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nxc6 bxc6 6.e5) but don't get the chance v.s. 3...Nc6!? I don't want to play the problem free 'four-knights' lines, but can't seem to find a strong line against it. The best try seems to be either 4.Bc4 or 4.dxe5, but black seems to be able to hold the balance easily, often reaching a position similar to a Petrov's Defense. Any recommendations? |
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| Feb-19-05 | | ongyj: I suppose what you meant was 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 Nf6!? From the first look of it I'll go for 4.d5 and it seems that Black will be wasting moves with it's hanging knight if White wishes to go on a 'Queenside pawn march'. I find it not so easy for Black to seek Petroff's defences' equilibrium now that ...d5 is deprived. If I'm not betrayed by my memory, 4.Bc4 transposes to a major variaiton of the two knights defence. It's popular for White for its many pros though I can't seem to grasp it well yet:( Now I see what you mean with 4.dxe5 entering Petroff Defence look alike. If you are uncomfortable with such positions perhaps you can try 4.Nxe5 which from my point of view looks good(or at least easy) for White no matter how Black replies. Hope to receive replies from this seemingly White-biased piece of comment:) Thank you! |
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| Feb-19-05 | | ongyj: To date, I've realised that White can play well against 4...Qh4. I'll go with 5.Nb5 and play with a pawn down while Black suffers somewhat slowed development accompanied by the King that's disallowed to castle. Thanks for the active responses from this forum that has finally brought me some light. I mean I like to play the Scotch as White, only to be discouraged by 4...Qh4. I actually came upon the idea of 4...Qh4 from an English Opening line: 1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Nf3 Nc6 4.d4 e4 5.Ng5 a6 6.Nxe4 Nxe4 7.Nxe4 Qh4!? ... |
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| Feb-19-05 | | MUG: <ongyj> Just to support your last comment, there is an excellent short chapter concerning 4...Qh4 in Peter Wells' 1998 book on the Scotch.
He ends it with the following summary:
<4...Qh4?! seems to be rushing full steam ahead towards the status of 'unplayable'. This crisis is two-pronged. Both 5.Nb5 Bc5 6.Qf3! and the 'new' gambit approach 5.Nc3!? Bb4 6.Be2! cause very severe problems.> |
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| Feb-19-05 | | Backward Development: <ongyj:>Thanks for the line. Indeed, after 4.d5 Ne7 5.Nxe5, white seems to be doing well. Sadly, the more interesting games seem to come from the line 4.d5 Ne7 5.Nc3 Ng6 6.a3!? Obviously, a slow maneuvering game isn't the goal when someone plays the scotch, although this particular case seems very interesting. It just isn't the strongest line though, as black can play ...Bc5, ...Ng4 and ...f5 in the future with good chances. Black's terribly developed after 4...Ne7 so opening the center is the much more logical choice. |
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| Feb-24-05 | | ongyj: I have a question here:) In the Scotch game after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Nxd4 Bc5 5.Nb3 Bb6 6.Nc3 Why hasn't anyone ever considered 6...a5 before? Is it tactically refutable, or is there something that I missed? Thanks for the answer. I have a feeling that it could be due to 7.Bb5!? but I can't be sure. |
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| Mar-06-05 | | MUG: <ongyi> I imagine 6...a5 is rarely played because it doesn't really help Black (i.e. develope a piece or fight for the centre). Not sure it can be tactically refuted, but after, say, 7.Nd5 Ba7 (7...Nf6 8.Nxb6 is clearly good for White)8.Qg4 Black already has a tough game ahead. |
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| Mar-06-05 | | erasmus: I played a Ghulam-Kassim variation of the Scotch Game last friday at my local club.
It had a nice combination in it which won me a piece, because my opponent tried to
take a pawn back with his rook (to make the game even again), but which caused him to have a weak backrank. [Date "2005.3.4"]
[White "J. de Wit"]
[Black "C. Vroom"]
[TimeControl "7200"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C45"]
1.e4 e5 2.♘f3 ♘c6 3.d4 exd4 4.♘xd4 ♘xd4 5.♕xd4 d6 6.♘c3 <I decided to wait one move with Bd3 to turn the game in a Ghulam>
6...♗e6 7.♗d3 a6 8.♗f4 <trying to push my pawn to e5 and open the game, because of my lead in development>
8...c5 9.♕e3 <Qa4+? would get the queen into trouble after b5>
9...♘f6 10.O-O <I was thinking about castling queenside a few moves earlier, but since my pieces were well mobilised at the king side and the pawn's of my opponent had advanced I decided to play this move>
10...c4 11.♗e2 b5 12.a4 b4 13.♘a2 <I played this move too fast, Nd5 would have been much better> |
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