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| Aug-05-08 | | whiteshark: It looks as if Franz G Jacob played only six rounds in Hamburg 1910 (+0 =3 -3) and abondoned the tournament afterwards. Why? Any background information? |
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| Aug-05-08 | | sneaky pete: Not in the 1911 tournament book. It only states that Jacob, Mülhausen i. Els. (with <Alechin>, Moskau and Dus Chotimirski, Moskau last minute replacement for the invited trio Capablanca, Janowski and Rubinstein) withdrew after round 6. "Eine unangenehme Störung erlitt das Meisterturnier leider dadurch, daß Herr Jacob nach der 6. Runde zurücktrat." |
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| Aug-05-08 | | RoyalFlush: <"Eine unangenehme Störung erlitt das Meisterturnier leider dadurch, daß Herr Jacob nach der 6. Runde zurücktrat."> Das ist aber schade. :)
I wonder what was his unpleasant problem. Health issues? |
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| Aug-06-08 | | whiteshark: Thanks <sneaky pete>. A super-tournament if Capablanca, Janowski and Rubinstein would have played. (Lasker, of course, maybe Vidmar, Bernstein, Maroczy, Mieses were missed, too) |
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| May-25-16 | | sachistu: Although some sources refer to Franz Jacob, the player at Munich 1900, Ostende 1907, and Duesseldorf 1908,was Friedrich G. Jacob. This is confirmed from The Field, 1907 and the Ostende 1907 tournament book. The situation at Hamburg 1910 is not quite so clear as the tournament book only refers to him as Herr Jacob (of Mühlhausen) whereas earlier tournament references indicate Strasbourg. Jacob was one of 3 players (the other two being Alekhine and Duz-Khotimirsky) invited to replace Capablanca, Janowski and Rubinstein. Jacob is not listed in the crosstable, but his 6 games are given in round 1-6. The tournament book did not give the circumstances, but only indicates "the tournament suffered an unpleasant disturbance when Mr. Jacob withdrew after round 6". (This is an approximate translation of the German). Within the paragraph discussing invitations, is a footnote (*) next to Jacob's name. This may provide a clue to which Jacob was at Hamburg. The footnote indicates E. Post was also invited, but apparently failed to report on time, and the tournament committee, not wanting to lose the opportunity for Jacob to appear in his first international tournament, refused (his entry <- my addition). Again, this is an approximate translation, which, hopefully, I have not mangled too badly. Clearly, this was not E. Post's first international tournament; having appeared at Barmen 1905, Ostende 1906 and Berlin 1907 to name three. Thus, if this was Jacob's first international tournament, this might be Franz Jacob as the Jacob appearing at Munich 1900 and Ostende 1907 was Friedrich G. Jacob (so this was not his first international tournament). If the bio in Wikipedia is correct about the birth date of 1870, it looks like Wikipedia is incorrect about the name (as it should be Friedrich G. Jacob). However, the birth date given on CG for Franz Jacob (1908) must be incorrect (for any of the aforementioned tournaments). More research is also necessary about the (Franz) Jacob listed at Helsinki 1952 and Munich 1954. It does seem odd to have a 40 year gap of inactivity and still represent the same player. Perhaps more research will discover the reason (or if there is ANOTHER Franz Jacob!). Perhaps <Tabanus> who is very adept at 'ferreting out' such information may be able to locate some birth (and death?) dates. |
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| May-26-16 | | sachistu: Regarding the later appearances by (Franz) Jacob, Munich 1954 was another last-place finish. Deutsche Schachrundschau Caissa 1954 covers the Munich zonal in issues 12 and 13. In issue 13, a general discussion of the players involved mentions Jacob. (Note: only the player last names were used). On page 241, the editor (Barkhuis of Duesseldorf) praises "the Saarlander Jacob" for his tireless and conscientious effort despite having bad positions and ending with a bad standing in the tournament. He goes on to say that although Jacob did not play badly, he lacked the experience to compete in such a difficult tournament. Finally, he says Jacob needed to divide his time appropriately (apparently indicating Jacob found himself in time trouble too often). Note: I am paraphrasing the comments rather than quoting them word-for-word. These last two sentences suggest to me we are talking about a different (Franz) Jacob as he was no stranger to difficult tournaments e.g. Munich 1900 and Ostende 1907 (to name a couple). The remark about time trouble could be interpreted as directed towards a younger player, but not necessarily so as many players have that affliction despite years of tournament experience. Regardless, I think the 'experience' comment suggests we are talking about a different person than the one who played in the early 1900's. |
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May-26-16
 | | Tabanus: <sachistu> Too difficult. I briefly tried, but Franz and Friedrich are very common names, and no certainty about age or where they lived. Also Jacob is a common surname. There are dozens of candidates. Needing more info, and if so, I can try again. |
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| May-26-16 | | sachistu: I understand <Tabanus>. Thanks for trying. There is another source I can check to see we can get a little more information. |
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Feb-22-24
 | | jnpope: <<sachistu:> Although some sources refer to Franz Jacob, the player at Munich 1900, Ostende 1907, and Duesseldorf 1908, was Friedrich G. Jacob.> <Deutsche Schachzeitung>, v55 n8, August 1900, p255:
"stud. Jakob aus Strassburg"
<La Stratégie>, v33, 15 August 1900, p243:
"M. Jacob, pseudonyme d'un amateur de Strasbourg"
<Der Zwölfte Kongress des Deutschen Schachbundes München 1900>, Leipzig 1901, p14:
"Fr. G. Jacob, aus Straßburg i. E."
If this was a pseudonym, was he paying homage to "Fr. G. Jakob Henle"?
https://www.google.com/search?q="Fr.+G.+Jakob+Henle" Friedrich Gustav Jakob Henle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fried... Or perhaps his name really was Friedrich Gustav Jacob and he was a student from Straßburg? |
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Feb-22-24
| | jnpope: <<sachistu:> The situation at Hamburg 1910 is not quite so clear as the tournament book only refers to him as Herr Jacob (of Mühlhausen) whereas earlier tournament references indicate Strasbourg.> <Der sechzehnte Kongreß des Deutschen Schachbundes, zu Düsseldorf 1908>, Potsdam 1908, p17, lists him as:
"Jakob-Mülhausen i. E."
So if you are certain that Jakob at Düsseldorf 1908 was "Fr. G. Jacob", then he's probably the same Jakob that was at Hamburg 1910. |
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Feb-22-24
| | jnpope: He is in the group photograph for Ostend 1907 given in <Wiener Schachzeitung>, v10 n8/9, August/September 1907, p253. The key gives his name as "Jacob". I'm willing to bet that his name was Friedrich Gustav Jacob; probably named so in honor of Friedrich Gustav Jacob Henle (heck, I was named after Jacques Cousteau). He was probably a student from Straßburg when he played in Munich 1900, and later moved to Mühlhausen. There is probably enough speculative information for <Tabanus> to take another swing at this. |
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Feb-22-24
| | jnpope: Regardless of what <Tabanus> finds, it seems clear that the abbreviation "Fr." stands for Friedrich. Where did Franz come from? Was this just carry-over from the Franz Jacob given in Gaige (who was born in 1908)? |
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Feb-23-24
| | jnpope: <Wiener Schachzeitung>, v10 n8/9, August/September 1907, p250, gives:
"Friedr. Jacob" |
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Feb-23-24
| | jnpope: Searched for:
Name: Friedrich G. Jacob
Lived in: Strasbourg, Bas-Rhin, France, 1890
Lived in: Mulhouse, Haut-Rhin, France, 1907
Which returned "Friedrich Gottlob Jacob" in <Haut Rhin, France, Births, Marriages, and Deaths 1504-1922>, but I cannot access the record to see if the date works.
There are also a large number of men named Friedrich Jacob who died in the first World War. |
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| Feb-23-24 | | quadrant: Ranneforths Schach-Kalender 1918, 1920 and 1925:
Jakob, Friedrich, Mulhausen i. E., Gutenbergstr 22. |
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Feb-23-24
| | jnpope: Thanks!
It would appear that he lived through the first World War, and lived at 22 Gutenberg Straße, Mühlhausen. |
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Feb-24-24
| | Tabanus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rh%C3... (see map), it seems Mulhausen i. E. must mean "Mulhausen im Elsass" = Mulhouse, France (after 1918). https://www.google.com/search?sca_e... https://www.google.com/maps/uv?pb=!..., my no. 1 guess now. |
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Feb-24-24
| | Tabanus: 22 Rue Gutenberg in Mulhouse, France is about 1 km away from Cercle D'Echecs Mulhouse Philidor, if that counts :) |
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Feb-24-24
| | jnpope: <mifralu: <jnpope: Searched for: Name: Friedrich G. Jacob> Friedrich <Georg> Ja<k>ob Geburtsdatum: 14 déc. 1875 (14 Dez 1875)
Geburtsort: Mülhausen, France (Frankreich)> Anything tying him to 22 Gutenberg Straße or living in Straßburg before Mühlhausen? |
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Feb-24-24
| | jnpope: The index to <Deutsches Wochenschach und Berliner Schachzeitung>, v23, 1907, p472:
"Jakob, Friedrich (Straßburg i. E.)"
It looks like he was living in Straßburg until 1907 and then moved to Mühlhausen by the time of 16th DSB Congress, Duesseldorf (1908). |
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Feb-24-24
| | jnpope: <quadrant: Ranneforths Schach-Kalender 1918, 1920 and 1925: Jakob, Friedrich, Mulhausen i. E., Gutenbergstr 22.> He also shows up in <Ranneforths Schach-Kalender>, 1914, p67:
"Jakob, Friedrich. Mülhausen i. E., Gutenbergstr, 22."
But he doesn't seem to be in the 1913 volume. |
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Feb-25-24
| | Tabanus: From Bistro:
mifralu: < Friedrich Jakob
Residence: Mulhouse
Study: Law
Date of matriculation: Oct. 26, 1898
Address: Fischerstaden 17
1899/1900 new address: Schluthfeldweg 35
1901/02 new address: Nikolausstaden 22
1902/03 new address: Magdalenengasse 20
1903/04 new address: Hauptstr. (Rupr.)
1904/05 Schiffgäßchen 3
1905/06 Nikolausring 39
no longer mentioned 1907/08 >
https://scd-sfx.u-strasbg.fr/sfx_te... Amtliches Verzeichnis des Personals und der Studenten der Kaiser-Wilhelms-Universität Strassburg für das Winter-Halbjahr 1898/99. https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/b... |
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Feb-25-24
| | Tabanus: Neue Mülhauser Zeitung has some "Friedrich Jakob"'s, but all seems to an older man who died in 1907. https://www.retronews.fr/search#all... |
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Feb-25-24
| | jnpope: <Tabanus: Neue Mülhauser Zeitung has some "Friedrich Jakob"'s, but all seems to an older man who died in 1907.> I suspect that older Friedrich Jakob was his father. When our Jakob entered the Ostend 1907 tournament he was given as "Friedr. Jakob-Straßburg" (in <Deutsches Wochenschach und Berliner Schachzeitung>, v23 n21, 26 May 1907, p182. Jakob withdrew on June 14th due to a family matter:
<Deutsches Wochenschach und Berliner Schachzeitung>, v23 n25, 23 May 1907, p214:
"14. Juni, 22, Rde: ... Jakob war vor Beginn der Runde zurückgetreten." <Deutsches Wochenschach und Berliner Schachzeitung>, v23 n26, 30 May 1907, p223:
"Jakob, der durch eine Erkrankung in seiner Familie vorzeitig nach Hause berufen wurde und daher nicht zu Ende spielen konnte, muß hier unberücksichtigt bleiben" And it would appear he moved back home to Mülhausen as that is his listed residence in August 1908, <Der sechzehnte Kongreß des Deutschen Schachbundes, zu Düsseldorf 1908>, Potsdam 1908, p17:
"Jakob-Mülhausen i. E." |
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Feb-25-24
| | jnpope: I was able to do a check of father-son <Friedrich Jakob>s and Friedrich <Georg> Jakob (born 1875) does turn up as the son of Friedrich Jakob (died June 1907). I still cannot do a deeper dive without paying for "premium access" to the European records, but I've updated the bio with the birthdate and middle name found by <mifralu>. I suspect a date of death will turn up at some point. |
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