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Dec-05-05 | | refutor: 7.Bb3 exd4 8.Re1 d5 9.Nc3 seems strong |
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Dec-05-05 | | Damodude: isn't that just met with 9..dxc3 though? |
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Dec-05-05 | | refutor: 10.Bxd5 looks good |
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Dec-05-05 | | Damodude: aha! I geddit - thanks |
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Mar-05-06 | | popski: I tryed this open thing today for very first time in blitz game, but something went terribly wrong... :/ 1.e4 e5 2.♘f3 ♘c6 3.♗b5 a6 4.♗a4 ♘f6 5.0-0 ♘xe4 6.♘xe5?! (well, this move is out of the book, but I couldn't find anything better than:) 6... ♘xe5 7.♖e1 f5 8.d3 b5 9.♗b3 ♗b7 10.de4 fe4 and my poor ♔ was stuck in the middle... So, how to play against 6.♘xe5?! |
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Mar-05-06
 | | tpstar: <popski> I've never seen 6. Nxe5!? before either. Consider 6 ... Nxe5 7. Re1 Nc5 transposing to the 6. Re1 line after 8. Rxe5+ Be7 Opening Explorer I often see 6. Re1 from opponents under 2000, sometimes because they automatically expect 5 ... Be7, and also because they don't know the 6. d4 theory. |
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Mar-06-06 | | popski: Thanks <tpstar>, yes this is much better than my 'invention' :) |
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Aug-20-06
 | | WTHarvey: Here are some traps n zaps from C80 miniatures: http://www.wtharvey.com/c80.html |
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Sep-18-06 | | soughzin: How do you all get to the Open? I've heard the Berlin move order is best
1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. Bb5 Nf6
4. 0-0 Nxe4
5. d4 a6
6. Ba5 b5
7. Bb3 d5
Or there's 1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. Bb5 a6
4. Ba5 b5
5. Bb3 Nf6 to avoid 5.d4 which can be annoying. (6.Ng5 doesn't work because of d5 and Nd4) And the usual move order given on the board of course. I dislike 6.Re1 since I feel like I outbooked my Ruy opponent but he/she still often gets a good game. |
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Jun-03-09 | | dumbgai: I love the Riga variation (6...exd4) but most people I face play the boring 6. Re1 line and tell me afterwards they didn't know d4 is the main move. Anybody else experience this? |
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Jun-03-09 | | MaxxLange: <dumgai> yes. in fact, I get the impression that many amateurs think that 5...Nxe4 is unplayable because of 6. Re1 |
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Mar-04-10 | | rapidcitychess: Yeah, I have to play the Open Ruy, and the Berlin. I normally get tripped up and lose a pawn. Of course I have fine compensation, but I'm not a tactical player. i detest gambits. How do you get through the open Ruy without gambiting a pawn? |
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Mar-04-10 | | CruyffTurn: <rapidcitychess: How do you get through the open Ruy without gambiting a pawn?> Not sure what you mean. Just follow the main lines, White gets his pawn back after a couple of moves. If Black tries to hang on to it, then White gets a good game Fischer vs P Trifunovic, 1961 |
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Mar-04-10 | | rapidcitychess: Could you give me the main line(s)? |
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Mar-05-10 | | MaxxLange: the main line Open Ruy goes:
1 e4 e5 2 Nf6 Nc6 3 Bb5 a6 4 Ba4 Nf6 5 0-0 Nxe4 6 d4 b5 7 Bb3 d5 (not 7...exd4, like in the Fischer game) 8 dxe5 Be6 |
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Mar-05-10 | | rapidcitychess: Thanks Maxx! |
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Mar-05-10 | | rapidcitychess: I saw that game in winning chess strategies! Awesome book. |
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Mar-05-10 | | Marmot PFL: Black doesn't lose a pawn but sometimes gets a backward c pawn. |
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Mar-06-10 | | rapidcitychess: Yeah. Yasser Seirawan recommends the forcing nd2. That book, winning chess Openings, Is a good starter, but you need more in depth things on things such as the Dutch, Nimzo, Kings Gambit, Catalan,and the English. He recommends the English but doesn't even tell you how to play the English. He should make a more in depth book. Also, he needs more modern lines and names. For example, the pin variation shows Ne4?! Qg4!? Nd5 is much better. |
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May-26-20 | | The Rocket: This opening never caught on. Why is that? |
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May-26-20 | | SChesshevsky: <This opening never caught on. Why is that?> Probably still an OK defense but most players now days maybe feel it's too loose. Black does get pieces out and can apply some pressure but can face some uncomfortable issues. White's e5 pawn often ends up pretty stable and can be a pain for black to play around. It can also often end up being useful to white later on. Sometimes black's c-file can be vulnerable as well as his kside with the N gone and e-pawn restricting the DSB. Altogether, even with active pieces black's usually still on the defensive and can't really feel comfortable about keeping control of the situation. Korchnoi, who didn't mind dynamic games, might be most famous Ruy Open player with all those games against Karpov. But I remember Ding Liren played it a bit awhile back and Koneru has it in her rep on the women's side. Here's a couple of games that maybe show some of white's ideas: Yifan Hou vs Koneru, 2012 Caruana vs Anand, 2019 |
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May-27-20 | | The Rocket: <Probably still an OK defense but most players now days maybe feel it's too loose. Black does get pieces out and can apply some pressure but can face some uncomfortable issues.> Yeah but compare it to the Caro-kann. In the classical Caro, you contest the center with two passive pawn moves, losing time, then you bring out the light squared bishop which gets harrassed and or traded, aiding white's development further. The Caro-kann is basically a game of trying to catch up in development before white throws a sledgehammer, and even in the main lines, the structures invariably favors white in any middlegame. Now in the Open Ruy, black has less concessions, pieces get out without losing time, and the structure long term is solid. White has a normal advantage for an 1.e4 type structure. Nothing more, nothing less. The Caro is still way more common than the Open Ruy even though black is in more trouble. |
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May-27-20 | | SChesshevsky: <...Yeah but compare it to the Caro-kann...> Ideas are probably really different. Typical Caro usually has black looking for at first a solid structure at cost of being cramped. Then exchanging pieces with the view of eventually breaking out at least somewhat. The whole thing is predicated on not giving up too much while keeping control. This is somewhat the same idea in the closed Ruy. Open Ruy seems to look to have less solid structure but gets pieces out and more dynamic play. This dynamic play usually means less confidence in keeping control. Caro might be more common because players today are probably more comfortable with keeping control as much as possible until clear advantage can be seen. Caro players today and in the past have probably never liked White play that opens up lines or push with kside pawn storms early. These rushes typically cause black to make adjustments that usually end up feeling like the position could be tipping out of control. That's exactly why I try not to play the Caro against those who've played the advanced with g4 or h4 lines and Panov specialists. Open Ruy is likely fine compared to the caro or closed Ruy. Just different goals and trade offs that might just not be fashion. |
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May-27-20 | | The Rocket: <Caro players today and in the past have probably never liked White play that opens up lines or push with kside pawn storms early. These rushes typically cause black to make adjustments that usually end up feeling like the position could be tipping out of control.> Even without agressive play, black is lagging behind development and has conceded greater space to white's minor pieces, really regardless of the variation white chooses. It's a passive defense that only Anatoly Karpov has been able to use to good effect at the highest level. You will note that he did not believe in it enough to use it as his standard defense in the Kasparov matches, only whipping it out occasionally. I compared the Open Ruy with the Caro simply because the Open Ruy is a better opening practically speaking yet nowhere near as popular. I really do think this things have more to do with fads than the actual merits. |
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May-27-20 | | The Rocket: Carlsen tried the Caro-Kann once against Anand in their very first WCH match game, but never again. Carlsen got a bad position that Anand should have played on. Anand tried it several times against Kasparov and lost as well. |
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