Mar-04-20
 | | John Saunders: Blog article with biographical info and photos of John William Naylor - http://johnchess.blogspot.com/2018/... |
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Apr-10-22
 | | Tabanus: The death index says b. 24 Sep 1916 and the 1939 census has 26 Sep 1916. There is a family tree saying he died "Jul 1978 Surrey" -- read "Jul-Aug-Sep" 1978 in Surrey. Probate calendar has a John William Naylor died 17 Aug 1978 in Ewell Epsom, which is in Surrey. A little thin .. |
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Apr-10-22
 | | MissScarlett: <1939 census>
It's a register, not a census. Big difference. I mean, they're not even spelt the same. |
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| Apr-10-22 | | Z free or die: Other than the spelling, then, what is the difference? . |
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Apr-10-22
| | MissScarlett: These should cover it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natio... https://www.ancestry.co.uk/c/1939-r...
https://blog.nationalarchives.gov.u... The last link mentions the 1915 register - which I didn't know of - but it seems the records were never centrally collated and aren't publicly available. See: https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic... |
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| Apr-10-22 | | Z free or die: Thanks, I looked at the first three links quickly and I think I appreciate the difference a bit more now. But I do think the register is more accurate in intent, but not in deed: < [Sylvanus Percival Vivian] pointed out that there seemed to be no mechanism in place that would ensure an accurate register as people moved around, joined the armed forces, or died. This was no doubt based on his own experience working in the comparatively new field of National Insurance; the General Register Office had plenty of experience of census-taking, but keeping a register continually updated was a different business altogether.> From the blog.nationalarchives link.
(Really, the '39 register is basically a rushed '41 census with more resources summoned forth) |
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Apr-10-22
| | Tabanus: Whatever. Census is an English word, not Norwegian. Register seems the right word, but I wonder what it was called in 1939. |
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| Apr-10-22 | | Z free or die: <Tab> - it's not just the word, the Register was a concept to actually track citizens, the Census to make a statistical study of them. The British did both Census and Register.
If interested (yes, it's a side alley, but still...): https://blog.nationalarchives.gov.u... (from <Missy>'s post above) |
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Apr-10-22
| | MissScarlett: Man and woman are English words - can <Tab> tell the difference? |
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Apr-10-22
| | MissScarlett: On the mysterious destruction of the 1931 census: https://www.familyhistory.co.uk/193... |
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Apr-11-22
| | Tabanus: Wo-man. Call it what you like but the newspapers called it a census. Example from Birmingham Mail 29 Sept 1939: <CENSUS DAY. To-day is census day. This evening every householder, or other responsible person in the home, must fill up the National Register Schedule with the names of all who are spending the night under that roof, or who are residents there, though working nights.” The form must be filled in fully, giving all the information asked for concerning ages, and occupations, as this will be required for the issuing of identity cards and rationing books. Any householder who does not receive a form, and whose case is not dealt with during the week-end, must make prompt application early next week to the registration officer at the Council House, in the case of Birmingham, or at the offices of the local authority elsewhere. When the enumerator calls for the completed form on or after Saturday, he will have to write an identification card for each member of the household. The authorities ask that he should be given reasonable facilities for writing these in comfort, and not have to write them in discomfort while standing at the door. In the case of hotel keepers and boarding house keepers, etc., the names of guests must be entered, giving their home addresses so that identity cards and ration books may be directly presented.> |
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Apr-11-22
| | Tabanus: Daily Mirror 28 Sep 1939 page 13: <Mr. D. QUINN, of Holborn, E.C.I, writes: — About this National Register. On Friday I shall be staying with friends and shall continue to do so for about a week. The chappie who brought the form says I must register there if I am there on the Friday. Does this mean that I stay there for the duration in order to get my rations? ANSWER: Don't be a great Goon. The Register's primarily for the purpose of checking up on the number of the population .. like a Census. Later on, you get your identification card. And THAT'S when the question of your address comes up. See?> |
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