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Nov-02-24
 | | Atterdag: He-he, nice of you, <perf>! Until today the weather here has been very unusual for late October with temperatures up to 15 C. When I joined the army (obligatory) at the same time in 1968, there were minus degrees, snow and ice everywhere. I saw in the news that 50 million Americans already had voted. The media here have been packed with the election the last 2-3 months and, admittedly, I have had enough of it. It is an immensely important election, I know, but now I just long for it to get over. My wife and I have just been in Hamburg for a short trip. We love classical music, and there was a very rare performance at the Elbphilharmonie. A piano concert with two pianos only. Artists were world-famous Yuja Wang and Víkingur Olafsson. An unforgettable experience. They had to give five extras. What are your music interests? Evidently mine is not ONLY classical - also jazz, and some popular music. |
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Nov-03-24
 | | keypusher: <Atterdag>, not sure why I forgot that I could have just posted in your forum. Anyway, stay well. |
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Nov-04-24
 | | Atterdag: Thanks, <keypusher>, you too! |
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Nov-24-24
 | | Atterdag: Since this is my forum, I allow myself to announce that I have given myself a sort of chess renaissance. I have acquiered a new set of chess pieces.
Since I began playing serious chess on club basis at 16 - which is now 61 ago! - it has been one of my greatest pleasures in chess to sit at a table with my chess set and then analyse a variety of openings, middle game positions and endgames. Moreover, play though the games of masters printet in chess magazines and multiple chess books. All that gave me endless hours of highly rewarding contemplation. The past six seven years, however, have been filled with much else. At some point I stored my chess board and the pieces, since they took too much space - and replaced them with a smaller board with pieces created by the great American artist Man Ray. A beautiful set of chess to look at, but completely unuseful to play with. Then, a couple of months ago, I suddenly felt an urge to revisit my old lifelong occupation to play with real physical chess pieces instead of watching all chess on screens. So I decided to buy new chess pieces. My old beautiful set of Staunton pieces was too big for the Man Ray board and that was a requierement. Then, during research, my eye caught the chess pieces created for the world championship matches by request of FIDE. They were created by Daniel Weil, a London architect, who in the process consultat Carlsen and others. I was used for the first time in the Anand-Carlsen match 2013 and has been the authorized standard in all following WC matches. I expect they will also be in use by Ding Liren and Gukesh tomorrow. So I ordered the pieces at Chess and Bridge, London, and they arrived in the beginning of this month. Since then I have spent many hours (easy to do when you are retired!) at the board. It should go without saying that I am absolute thrilled by the beauty and usefulness of these pieces, which fit my board perfectly. Now old issues of New in Chess have got a renaissance, since I can have the full experience of playing through their countless annotated games. The same goes for some of my chess books.
It has truly re-boosted my interest in chess, and I can only say that it is highly recommendable! The deep pleasures of the game, but also the tactility, the joy for the eyes, it's all more than worth it. I could write a lot about the pieces themselves, but here is a link so you can see for yourself. https://chess.co.uk/collections/che... |
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Nov-24-24 | | stone free or die: Looks slightly out of my budget range but a very attractive set of pieces. Classic. (Funny the site doesn't mention they're boxwood, somebody had to ask) |
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Nov-24-24
 | | Teyss: Hi Atterdag,
Nice set, it's good to treat oneself from time to time. I like the simple yet classy design, the wood looks of high quality too. Enjoy! |
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Nov-25-24
 | | Atterdag: Many thanks, gentlemen, for your comments.
I chose to buy the set from the UK shop, because they'd ship it from Germany, which meant I shouldn't pay additional 25 % in import taxes (since it then was a trade inside the EU). The authorized American dealer has a better display and explanation about the pieces: https://shop.worldchess.com/product... That site also shows a great video about how the pieces are manufactured in an Indian workshop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Tg...
I had to make a bit research on "ebonized", and it turned out it was a very well-known old way to blacken/darken wood. All pieces in the set are made of boxwood - those that should be black will be ebonized, a chemical process which penetrates the surface without covering it like paint would do. Thus any scratches won't reveal a brighter wood underneath. Ebonizing also allows the natural grains of the wood to remain visible. Quite an interesting method, really. My other pieces have two different types of wood: olive/rosewood, boxwood/rosewood or boxwood/ebony. When I ordered the set I was most anxious about the knights. They are quite stylized by design, perhaps too stylized? Fortunately, they look great in reality and have a nice tactile feel about them. What I like about this set is also that they haven't just made another version of the Staunton, but seem to have really thought about and considered every aesthetical and functional detail, every choice. |
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Nov-25-24 | | stone free or die: Thanks for that update <Atterdag>, I very much enjoyed the manufacturing video. I have an old wooden chess set where the Black pieces stain has lightened up to the point they can get confused with the White pieces. I might have to research the "ebonized" technique myself. Though I originally, and likely, will have to do some research into staining techniques. (Plus having to remove the felt bottom, then learning about proper adhesives for reapplying it.) |
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Nov-26-24
 | | Atterdag: Hi again, <stone>, I had the same experience with my olive/rosewood set. I love items made of olive tree, but the surface tends to get darker by age and therefore not so distinguishable from the rosewood which is rather red-brownish than black. |
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Nov-26-24
 | | keithbc: [Atterdag] Not imperialism just pointing out the difference. I am Keith Cope not Cope or Cope Keith. I even read somewhere that an interviewer had addressed Liren as Ding, which is equivalent of calling me Cook - just plain rude. |
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Nov-27-24 | | stone free or die: Thanks <Atterdag>. Inspired by this discussion, I watched some interesting videos today. Maybe later I'll post some links. Do you have a link for "ebonized"?
One of my videos seemed to suggest it was equivalent to painting the pieces. . |
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Nov-27-24 | | areknames: Hej, <Atterdag>
I hope you don't mind the intrusion, I was hanging out on the WC page and your username sounded vaguely familiar. So then I remembered that massacre of all those Visby peasants 700 years ago. Don't worry, I'm not (yet) blaming you for that, just wanted to recommend a visit to Visby's <Fornsalen> in case you've never been, it's a great museum! |
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Nov-27-24 | | stone free or die: Here's a clip of a guy turning a queen on the lathe https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PKHF...
It looks like magic since it appears he does it entirely by eye (though I guarantee that's not the case!). A more realistic video showing the duplication of a queen, as well as restoring the finish, of an old set is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_I...
Using venier calipers to make the queen is tedious and error prone (for amateurs at least). Here's a woodworker who developed what seems to be an excellent duplicating technique: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWE...
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Nov-28-24
 | | Atterdag: <stone> - Many thanks for the links and your interest in all this. I have only read about enonizing on Danish websites. They talk about putting some steel wool in a jar, pouring vinigar over it and let it mature for months before using it to darken bright tree colours. Iron oxide is the result of the mixture and it apparently creates a strong surface when thoroughly made. A special article (in Danish) discusses genuine ebony vs. enonized wood in chess pieces. Of course, the former is preferable but also significantly more expensive. And ebony, it says, has a tendency to crack when getting dry. For normal use of chess pieces the article says ebonized wood made well is more than sufficient since it'll take more than a lifetime to wear it off! So, would I prefer the black pieces in my new set to be made of ebony? Of course, but since the manufacturer doesn't offer that option I am fully content with the ebonized version. Moreover because it is made in that particular workshop, which appears to hold the art of craftmanship very high. |
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Nov-28-24
 | | Atterdag: Hi <areknames>. You are very welcome here, as is your interest in history. Many thanks for the tip of visiting the historic places in Gotland. I have never been there, alas. True, Valdemar Atterdag was certainly not a boy scout, and the massacre on peasants defending Visby is not a glorious moment in Danish history. I found this article (in Danish) which IMO gives a fair and balanced summary of what happened and why. https://danmarkshistorien.dk/vis/ma... The conquering of Visby was a part of the grande plan, Atterdag lay in order to restore the Danish kingdom, and he wasn't shy of using brutal methods to do it. However, as the article says, warfare in the 14th century was generally not a noble affair. It was rough, brutal, merciless in all phases.The battle of Visby in 1361 had a particular, but I think important note to it that it wasn't the citizens in Visby who fought against Atterdag's army - it was, as you noted, the peasants from the countryside surrounding Visby. The citizens were primarily of German origin and were quite indifferent to it all. They were tradesmen, and after the defeat of the peasant army, they made an arrangement with Atterdag to pay penalty taxes in order to continue their lives. I think it is hard for us in 2024 to imagine the times people lived in by the 14th century. The Danish language, for instance, was so different from what it became after 1500 that we can only grasp very few words of it today. And regarding wars, life-spans, beliefs, and troubles in life, it is so far away from our own life today that it is in fact impossible to fathom. |
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Dec-02-24 | | areknames: Hej igen, <Atterdag>, thanks for the welcome. I am indeed a history buff, particularly military history and you seem to know your stuff pretty well also. In reality I don't believe we should separate different historical aspects, everything connects and there's nothing more pointless than learning names of Monarchs and the dates of great battles without understanding the context. I can't recommend visiting Visby highly enough. There is a reason Gotland is known as the Pearl of the Baltic and Visby is its largest and most significant city. It is the stuff of fairy tales. When you approach it during the short ride from the airport and the famous ring wall makes itself known it can bring a grown man to tears. When Stockholm was just an unnamed, small settlement of fishermen and subsistence farmers Visby was already a thriving and by medieval standards modern city with an incredible sewerage system - another of my pet interests. There is no city even remotely like it in Sweden, it's unique. Once again, I hope you are still able and well enough to make it there, you won't regret it. Sadly, my own travelling days are over. All the best! |
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Dec-03-24
 | | Atterdag: Hi, <areknames>, Gotland, Øland, Bornholm - islands amidst what we Danes call the Eastern Sea, other the Baltic Sea. These islands were always subjects of interest to nations surrounding that ocean. Which has been another reason for Finland and Sweden to join Nato - need I say more? I am sorry to hear that your <travelling days are over>. I can relate to that. I am only 77 and in relatively good health (all is relative now :-)) but my knees suffer from osteoarthritis making walks less pleasant. That doesn't prevent me from travelling with my much younger wife to great cities in Europe, but I can't walk around for hours like I used to do. With precautions, though, we manage fairly well. So in short, a trip to Gotland would not be impossible, but also not a priority, since there is so much else, we'd both like to see. But if I should go to that region, I'd probably choose Kalmar first. In 1997 the Kalmar Union was celebrated in the Nordic countries. For a few years, Atterdag's daughter, the later Queen Margrethe, ruled over the main part of Finland, all Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Iceland.
The countries united in creating numerous TV and radio programmes, and I was fortunate to become the main editor for a mutually published tome about the subject written by historians in these countries. A huge project, you may imagine, but also a very satisfying one. Well, these days are also over :-) I say with a smile. |
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Dec-03-24 | | areknames: Hej igen <Atterdag>, I'm sorry for spamming your forum like this, it was never my intention. I am fascinated that you were a major part in creating content for the celebrations surrounding the Kalmar Union, well done! For myself, one of my (minor) regrets is that I wasn't able to make it back to Stockholm last year for the 500th anniversary of the end of the Union and the birth of modern Sweden, when Kristian was ousted and Gustav Vasa rode into (what is now) Gamla Stan with lots of pomp and circumstance.
I know there were plently of celebrations and re-enactments, although nothing official afaik. Never mind, although Sweden and Denmark hold the world record of wars fought between any 2 countries - some of them unbelievably brutal - we're the best of friends now. If I post again I'll try to keep it about chess and one my favourite players ever, Bent Larsen ;) |
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Dec-03-24 | | areknames: PS
And of course no one that I know outside of Scandinavia has ever heard of Bornholm, much less of the fact that the Soviets occupied the island for about a year after the end of the war. Tense times. |
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Dec-03-24
 | | Atterdag: <areknames>. I don't feel you are "spamming" my forum. As said you are welcome to write here, and as you have seen, history is a subject of interest for me. But since you seem to know a lot about Scandinavia, are you in any way connected to ... Sweden? But you don't live there? |
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Dec-03-24 | | areknames: Hej <Atterdag>, my family's history is heterogeneous. However my heritage is (mainly) Swedish but I live in Australia now. |
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Dec-05-24 | | stone free or die: RE: <Chess sets> Google has an article they entitled
<<Chess Sets of Champions>From Alekhine's gift to Kosteniuk's childhood treasure, explore the unique chess sets of legendary players.> https://artsandculture.google.com/s... It's worth a look for those who enough the art and style of chess sets. |
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Dec-05-24 | | Cassandro: <From Alekhine's gift to Kosteniuk's childhood treasure, explore the unique chess sets of legendary players.> Between Alekhine's gift and Kosteniuk's childhood treasure..ehh..I think I'd go with Alekhine's gift, thank you very much.. |
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Dec-09-24 | | areknames: Hej <Atterdag>, just letting you know I am at this very moment watching a movie, <Margrete: Queen of the North> that I probably wouldn't have botherered with but for our interaction here. It's a historical drama, mainly spoken in Danish but there's also some Norwegian, Swedish and English. It looks pretty good, have you heard of it? |
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Dec-10-24
 | | Atterdag: Hi Stone-,
Many thanks for this great link - very nice of you. A real joy to watch these quite peculiar sets which demonstrate the huge diversity in the design of these objects. I think it is for very good reasons that FIDE (?) at some time decided to make the Staunton model obligatory. I recall that my compatriot Bent Larsen played with a very common and cheap set of pieces until he - and other participants - were gifted with a beautiful Staunton set at the Olympiads in Havana 1966. Perhaps elite players don't care much about the design of the pieces they use? :-) It could become an interesting and probably also entertaining article if a (photo) journalist would take pictures of a selection of elite players with their favourite set of chess pieces. And read about their affinity to that set. |
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