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| Dec-17-04 | | enigmaticcam: <shortsight> Ah, I didn't know that. But actually, I've never owned Fritz; just Chessmaster. But I assumed it would be the same as Chessmaster, in which you could setup a position however you like it and start a game from there. But yeah, you're absolutely right: without opening theory, a computer opponent would be far weaker. A while ago I attempted writing a chess opponent in Visual Basic. I found that before I implemented opening theory, it would always move it's queen out to F3 or G4 on its second move! But when it would use opening theory, it would play much better. |
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| Dec-17-04 | | pkjohn146: <acirce> Did you read the interview with Fischer where he says playing the same FR set-up for a year takes away the spontaneity, which is pretty much the point of the game? Can't really argue with that. Now riddle me this- my best friend, who usually beats me 2 out of 3 games in standard chess, has yet to beat me in fischerandom. I'm thinking that he's just better in the openings than me, and that gives him a head start in the middle game, but with FR, we're already in the mid-game where I have the advantage. |
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| Dec-17-04 | | ughaibu: I wonder if Kasparov expressing limited approval of this variant indicates he's planning to retire. |
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| Dec-17-04 | | Knight13: Position #186 is like playing regular chess with little different set up. It's like Opening the king pawn releases the queen and the bishop and the queen's pawn releases the bishop and little opening for the queen. |
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| Dec-21-04 | | jumma: how to make moves on the site can you help me administration. i can't make moves why do you think administration. |
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| Jan-01-05 | | DanielBryant: Can you still castle queenside if the king starts on b1? How would it work? |
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| Jan-01-05 | | pkjohn146: Hello <DanielBryant>. Remember that in any FR set-up, the king must always be placed between the two rooks. When castling, the final position is always the same as in Orthodox Chess. So if you castle on the left side, the king goes on c1 and the rook goes on d1, just like castling queenside, and on the right or kingside, the king goes to g1 and the rook goes to f1. Sooo, if the king is on b1, then the rook on a1 would move to d1 and the king to c1. I have gotten confused a few times and tried to castle queenside with the kingside rook! |
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| Jan-06-05 | | Whitehat1963: I say have Fischer come out of retirement to play three FRC matches, one each against Junior, Fritz and Shredder. If he wins give him 50 million dollars and let him live wherever he wants to, including the U.S. If he loses, he goes to Abu Ghraib for the rest of his life. Do you think that might spark any interest? (I can dream, can't I?) |
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| Jan-09-05 | | gotleib: Did Fischer get to Iceland yet? |
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| Jan-10-05 | | ughaibu: Maybe he should be deported to a randomly chosen destination. |
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| Jan-10-05 | | fred lennox: There is something Picasso-like about Fisher Random. Fisher seems to be fond of thorny positions. |
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| Jan-10-05 | | duckets: Ughaibu is on to something there. Randomly chosen destination #327...nuclear waste dump site A13, Los Alamos National Laboratory, New Mexico, USA. |
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Jan-13-05
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| Jan-18-05 | | pkjohn146: If two chess players are of equal strength, does the fact that one has played FR give him an advantage (in FR) over one who has not played? One could say that given the "random" nature of the game, there is no advantage. Both players are more than likely coming to a new game "blind", regardless of their experience. However, one could also say that the one who has played has a psychological advantage in that he will be less distracted by the new, unorthodox position. While his less experienced opponent is gawking over his bishops being side-by-side, the experienced FR player concentrates on making a plan of attack. What do you guys think? |
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| Jan-30-05 | | popski: FR? Ok, there is 'no' theory, but first, if this kind of game survive, there will be some people who will remember those lines even if there is 960 possibilities and second, this game is like bike race on squared wheels. |
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| Feb-05-05 | | pkjohn146: <popski>
I would love to meet the person who can remember the lines for all 960 positions. And you at least you have to know your opening principles to play. (Get your pieces out, protect your King etc,) |
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| Feb-06-05 | | pawn52: <enigmaticcam> It is possible to set up a Fischer Random Position in both Fritz 8 and Deep Junior.
<gotleib> As of right now he is still stuck in Japan.
<pkjohn146> Just because the players are equal in strength doesn't mean that one has a huge advantage over the other. If both of them are used to thinking outside of the box, odviously there will be no advantage in that. However, if one person is out of the box and the other is opening theory, I'll have to place my money on the out of the box player because when you memorize opening lines for standard chess, they are useful then, but, in Fischer Random, the position gets thrown around so the opening lines are useless, although the main principals of openings still apply. |
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| Feb-06-05 | | pkjohn146: <pawn52> Let me put it like this. Let's say you and I play 100 games and we draw them all. (Not likely cause I suck, but anyway...) Then I learn this cool game called FR. I play 100 games of that, then I challenge you to a game. Does my experience in this game give me an advantage over you, provided you have never played the game? I think it does, but I would like to read differing opinions. |
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| Feb-06-05 | | pawn52: <pkjohn> You would have an advantage over me then (assuming I didn't play the game before then), but only a small one. Like I said in my previous post, the same principals apply in that game as they do in standard chess. If you don't know the principals, knowing how to play the game won't do you that much good. |
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| Feb-06-05 | | Franz the Stampede: I think that the point of FRC is not to debase the importance of experience in the game but to make memorization useless... Think of current chess: how many times supremacy and victory are given by a real better understanding of basic game principles in comparison to those of your opponent? And how many times is victory given by a better knowledge of openings and home preparation of them? Anyway it's kinda funny that Fischer wanted to make memorization useless since he was so incredibly gifted about it even if it was mainly an "incidental" process and I'm sure he never learnt anything by heart forcefully, I mean like sitting down and saying "OK, I have to memorize this" |
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| Feb-24-05 | | Orbitkind: I agree Franzy the Stampede. Chess is a great game but there is a problem with computers evaluating lines and finding novelties, and also with a great deal of memorisation of lines required, (and memorisation is a computer-like attribute, whereas humans are brilliant but cannot necessarily remember a lot of similar things to a high degree of accuracy, but can come up with brilliant ideas). A game that still requires more experience for more skill, but which minimises that computer-like attribute of memorisation that is such a problem in chess is obvious better suited to humans. Of course, before computers chess didn't have these problems much, but now something like Fischerandom is needed to return to the old chess where it is an adventure and there is great room for originality and creativity. |
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| Mar-02-05 | | Howling Wolf: Thank for providing me a space in your organization, i'll gonna log in frequently. is it ok/ |
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| Mar-03-05 | | Doctor Who: From the rules above: <All squares between the King and Rook must be empty, and the final square of the Rook must be clear.> Consider position 467 which looks like this
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Does this mean that if you move the queen from c1, you can castle a-side, even with the knight remaining on a1? I suppose it does. Likewise, if you get the bishops out of the way, you can castle short with the knight on h1. |
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| Mar-03-05 | | MatrixManNe0: <Doctor Who> If you read the second part under section III, it will show you castling position (though it's no doubt in my mind that you wouldn't know how to castle if you've already mentioned where the pieces move to). In other words, you are correct! |
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