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Sep-27-08 | | Karpov2985: Pinoymaster77 / spawn2, dito pala kayo tumatambay. Talagang mainit ang discussion sa Wesley's site. Spawn2 kagaya mo irita rin ako sa kanila pero hindi worth na ibaba ang level para makipagtalo sa kanila. Kanya-kanya rin tayo ang katwiran. May point sila meron din tayo. Yong mga iba, nagname-calling pa kaya di ko sila pinapansin. Di worth magpapakababa. Wala silang concern kay Eugene. Kahit napatunayan na niyang kaya pa niyang maging competitive ay parang bale wala pa rin sa kanila. Gaya ng nasabi mo masyadong righteous sila. Ang ganda nga sana kung majority of the public officials ay ganoon. Lalo sigurong malayo ang narating si Eugene. |
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Sep-27-08 | | wordfunph: pinoymaster77, spawn2, Karpov2985, dito pala kayo ha! Dominated ng anti-Torre sa page ni GM Wesley. I need you HELP! Mukhang nag iisa lang ako lumalaban for GM Torre.. |
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Sep-27-08 | | Karpov2985: Di naman, tignan mo nga ang haba ng naipost ko. Medyo lumabas na nga yong mga Philosophy terms ang mga anti-Torre. Pero cool lang tayo kung mag-post. Huwag pairalin ang emotion dahil ika nga nila sa Pilipinas, ang unang mainis talo. Let's just keep on arguing our point until somebody listen. Kung wala pa ring mangyari, e di O.K., we did our best. |
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Sep-27-08 | | Karpov2985: I like the latest post by 321ycnay sa Wesley site. |
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Sep-27-08 | | spawn2: Yup,
Kung tungkol lang naman ke Torre yung ipopost ko, dito na ako. Pumupunta lang ako dun to see if there are arguments against torre then I reply. Its my way of respecting Wesley So since page nya yun.
You know guys, sa tingin ko, konti lang ang anti eugene. Ito yung mga bata, mga baguhan (not necessarily) who are not aware of the sacrifices of Eugene for the last 40 years. Am sure, pag nag survey tayo sa general chess public, a lot will favor the inclusion of Eugene but someone who will give up his position will be financially rewarded. Tayong mga pinoy, mahilig sa underdog. Definitely, kung isa sa mga team members eh aalisin ng basta basta, a lot of criticism will be hurled against NCFP. Pero kunyari nagpaprescon si NCFP at sinabi ni Jason kunyari na bibigay nya position nya, tatanggapin yun ng general chess pubkic. Lalo na kung sasabihin ni jason na idol nya si Eugene, kaya pa ni Eugene..Ano sa palagay nyo? |
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Sep-27-08 | | pinoymaster77: Fellow Kibitzers,
Ok din naman basahan yun sa Wesley site, kaso yun iba talagang below the belt, walang modo eh. Di siguro naiintindihan ng site manager yun iba Tagalog. Saka mga bata in today's generation di na masyado naipasa yun respeto sa matanda. Sa mga anak na lang natin ituro at ipamana. May kirot din nga sa puso pati sa active chess players, ang tawag kay Eugene e lolo eh. Siyempre nung panahon na kalakasan ni Eugene may mga sentiments din siguro saka nung time nila Compomanes maybe feeling nila 'favored' player sila Eugene. Anyway, na kay Pichay ang bola. Since politico siya, he has tendency to go with whats popular. Medyo apprehensive lang ako baka mawala focus niya sa chess, naririnig ko name niya sa intl volleyball liga, and nasa kabilang side naman siya ng basketball dun sa BAP faction, vs SBP. Though he pledged for the Pichay Cup, lifetime ang support niya (means even
after GMA's time).
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Sep-27-08 | | Karpov2985: O.K. lang naman na pag-usapan yong tungkol kay Torre sa Wesley site dahil chess related naman. Ang hindi lang maganda talaga ay nagkakainitan. Ganyan yata ang mga Pinoy pag nag-argumento dinadaan sa init ng ulo. Dito sa U.S., malumamany lang sila nagdedebatehan. Pagkatapos ng debate, nagkakamayan at nag-uusap pa na akala mo di magkaiba ang paniniwala. Tignan mo na lang dyan sa Pinas, nagkakainitan ngayon sila Bayani Fernando at Roilo Golez. Si Golez cool lang dahil siguro graduate siya dito sa U.S., Sa Anapolis Virginia yata. Si Fernando naman galit na galit. |
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Sep-27-08 | | 321ycnay: "Kamusta mga kaibigan, O.K. ba kayo riyan" ani Resty, Maria Cafra. Matanda na nga talaga, pag alam itong kantang ito. Sumunod na ko sa payo ninyo, at nandito na ako at nakikita ko na marami na rin babasahin dito na may tungo at may laman. Kung mamarapatin'y lalahok na din ako paminsan -minsan. Sa pahina ni Wesley, masarap makibalita sa mga pausbong nating mga manlalaro. Sila Wesley, Haridas, Jan E, Datu, Cheradee, Ochoa, Villanueva atbp. Sila ang mga sisidlan ng galak at tuwa, magpapataba ng ating mga puso, sa mga daraang mga taon, kapag laho na ang giting sa laro ng mga katandaan, sa larangan ng ahedrez. Hindi na ako makikilahok pa duon sa mga pahinang iyon sa mga pananaw ko patungkol kay Eugene Torre. Dagdag pauban lang ang ehersisyong iyon. Sumulat lang ako duon kasi, meron ilan sa kanila na minaliit ang kakayanan, at sa mahinang banda, pati katauhan ni Eugene Torre. Yan mga kabayan, di ko pinapalampas. Kung minsan nga, nawawala din ako sa suklay ng hinahon. Pinoy din kasi ako sa "puso't diwa" (hiram kay Florante). Ang nakatutauwa niyan ay ang malinaw nating paggalang sa selan ng paggamit natin sa kapareho, ngayung ang nagma-mayari nito ay lalabing-apat na taong gulang lamang, ilang tulog pa papatawid sa labing-lima, na si GM Wesley So.
Ang mga may edad ay patuloy na ipinapakita na marunong rumespeto kahit kanino kapag ang pagdala sa sarili ay lapat at marangal, walang kesyo sa edad, katauhan, pulitika,o paniwala. Sa ibayo naman ang palait, at makasirang pag bale wala sa mga ipinakita at itinatag ng mga haligi ng chess natin, na si GM Eugene Torre. Baliktad na nga ang mundo! Yoon lang naman. Can we actually kibitz in pinoy here? If so, (no pun) then that is quite a welcome treat! |
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Sep-27-08 | | pinoymaster77: Hello 321ycnay, ok yan inabot ko Maria Cafra,Florante at pati Banyuhay and Juan dela Cruz! Napapaghalata ang age group, hane? Fellow kibitzers, let me pose this question - who among Carlsen,Karjakin and Radjabov will be near future world champ? Wesley would follow this group in 3 to 4 years' time, or longer kung magfulltime sa college. Reason I raise this in Eugene's page is this is his unfinished business. Ive also checked the blogs/biography of these chess prodigies. The common
hilites I saw were they learned to play chess at childhood, they won a
world youth age group (Under-10,Under-12,Under-14) or Jr championships. Specially for the European Super GMs they enjoyed the backup support of having GMs as coach, or second. Carlsen has Agdestein, even the Super GMs have seconds (malamang they pay, or share the prize money), Topalov has Cheparinov, Aronian has Sagissian etc... Sa Russia, during their height they had the chess schools with the major ones named after their world champs -
Botvinnik, I think Tal has one. I think in RP, there should be a Torre school, sana may sponsor. Sana ma-setup eto ng NCFP. Other countries are already taking note of the resurgence of Pinoy masters, both youth and veterans - but if we tap all the talent on a pooled/sharing basis, we will progress further! |
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Sep-27-08 | | timhortons: pichay is not crazy to name the school of chess in the philippines after torre, it would be pichay school of chess with his big picture painted infront of it. |
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Sep-27-08 | | 321ycnay: Hello pinoymaster77,
As for the prodigies question, I would second the overwhelming consensus among the top tier SuperSGMs like Aronian, and company, which I've read from an Aronian interview at Bilbao, in Spain during their superSGM games. It is Magnus Carlsen, no doubt, if there is one coming off their batch. Radjabov's almost been there, but nowadays seem to have lost a little bit of that grim determination needed, say the spikes to hike, to win it all. His plight is similar to that with Leko's hitting a granite wall-like halt from a steady upsurge. Karjakin doesn't seem to have consistent numbers against the biggies, while Magnus' game flourishes and just grows leaps and bounds. GM Magnus is hard to beat over-the-board, one needs home prep and Kramnik style dullness then endgame virtuosity, to slowdown and neutralize him. If at all achieved, then again, you still have to drive Magnus to boredom to quell his over-the-board mastery. Tough! |
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Sep-28-08 | | spawn2: Hi Guys,
My bet is Magnus Carlsen. The way he has been scoring in the SuperGM circuit is just amazing. With regard to a school for chess in the Philippines. If i remember correctly, GETCI (Grandmaster Eugene Torre Chess Institute)was launched sometime 2002-2003. This was in cooperation with Chess Asia/Belgosa System administration. Am not so sure whether it is still active or not. |
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Sep-28-08 | | pinoymaster77: Hi Timhortons, its ok whatever name as long as its effective churning out good chess students. BTW, if I may ask are you Filipino or ?, I see your blogs in the other SuperGM sites. Hi Spawn2, yes I also read Torre did some basic chess lessons at the First Asia Institute in Batangas. Saka sana yun GETCI would produce real chess
masters.
321ycnay and spawn2, noted your bet is Magnus. Yes, I also read about the Bilbao report and the SuperGMs are grumbling 'why can't I beat this kid?' For a day or 2, he was #1 in the live ratings, and the last rounds of the Bilbao masters defined who got #1 and
thats Topalov.
On a side note, 'mataray' pala si Topa pinasaringan si Anand, parang comment was 'why should I mind a #5 rated player?' |
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Sep-28-08 | | timhortons: <pinoymaster77> 100% na pinoy kabayan. timhortons pala ang sikat na donut store sa montreal. ikumpara mo ang pinas kisa canada, mas malakas ang pinas na chess playing nation, although maraming immigrant na bagong salta sa montreal at malalakas mag laro at bata pa,katulad ni anton kovalyov na 16 years old palang at naging estudyante ni michael tal ng yon ay buhay pa. magaling din na tournament host ang montreal sa chess at naging tradition na nito ang pag daos na malakas na tournament taon taon. pag nag sabi ka pilipinas dito sa montreal si eugene torre ang ma alala ng mga quebecois player. |
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Sep-28-08 | | spawn2: Hi Guys,
Going back to Eugene, I have two wishes for him:
1. He should ride on his latest success and continue to play in rated tournament so that he can breach 2600. Just imagine the impact of this, a 56 year old considered as "laos" by other people able to improve his rating and prove that old dogs can still learn new tricks. 2. Someone will finally finance the printing of his book which was a collaboration with Bobby "ChessPiece" Ang. Bobby mentioned to me that there is a chapter in the book entitled "The Making of a GM" written by Mr. Florencio Campones which is an excellent read. I tried looking for a book written about Eugene during the seventies entitled " Beyond the 13th move" but no success. Good evening to everyone: ) |
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Sep-28-08 | | spawn2: Hi Tim,
I read a book entitled King's Gambit which featured one of Canada's players Pascal Charbonneau who is now married to Irina Krush of the U.S. Am just not so sure if he represented Canada in the Chess Olympiad |
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Sep-28-08 | | zanshin: <poinoymaster77> Yup, 100% pinoy si <tim>. Tingnan mo yung personal blog niya. <spawn2> Speaking of Torre books, lumabas na ba yung autobiography niya? .. parang "40 years of Philippine chess"? Dapat last year pa, pero walang na akong nabilitaan. |
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Sep-28-08 | | pinoymaster77: Fellow Kibitzers,
I just browsed the Olympiad link in chessdom for the partial (I didnt see
Aze,Kazakh,Bulgaria and France for example) list of teams. I could say for Armenia,Georgia,China and US theyre sending their top GMs. I should say the US has a very SOLID linetup this round. Well, with their 'new' recruits (Akobian and I think Onischuk?), theyre solid with Kamsy on #2 and Nakamura on #3,if that is how the player chronology is presented.... I think if I remembered right on their previous lineups, it was an immigrant GM Smirin manning the top board, but the US still fared well then. China is fielding their 'FIRST 5', think its same TOP 5 who played in 'China vs Russia' series. Since there are only 5 players, take the case of Armenia, when I used to browse their top players, these are the names I see. But I think this round, Smbat Lputian is left out, maybe because Aronian has ascended from the youth ranks. |
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Sep-28-08 | | pinoymaster77: Hello Timhortons,
Ah ok kabayan, actually I just got back into the chess circles when I started to read up on Wesley's consecutive tournaments exploits, and then found the chessgames site and found it easy to register. Thanks also zanshin for confirming that he's Pinoy.
Foreign sounding kasi timhortons, and di pa nakapunta Canada. |
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Sep-28-08 | | timhortons: <pinoymaster77>sa tingin ko mas malakas ang team philippines kisa canadian chess olympic team, si GM mark bluvhstien ang team captain bata pa ito siguro ka edad ni mark paragua,si IM roozmon taga montreal,si IM noritsyn taga toronto pero immigrant din yan, saka si IM zugic, saka si pascal charbonneau na di naman talaga kalakasan bakas less than 2500 ang elo rating nya, kaya ibaon ng team philippines ang line up na ito. si anton kovalyov still play under argentina kasi sabi ng tatay nya sa akin mahal ang bayad sa fide pag nag lipat ng bansa sa pag lalaro. nakita ko si irina krush last tourneo de montreal, si pascal newyork base na yan doon na nakatira at nag tatrabaho.montreal is always proud na dito galing si pascal charbonneau. unlike team philippines na nag daan sa qualifying tourney ito ata ang canadian olympic team was appointed according sa merit ng past performance nila. |
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Sep-28-08 | | Karpov2985: Mabalik ako sa child prodigies, kay Magnus Calsen din ako. Imagine the youngest to win a category 20 tournament. Now i think with his live rating, he is in the top 3. Can you imagine when he turn 20? He has the potential of beating Kasparov's record of highest ELO rating ever. |
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Sep-28-08 | | Karpov2985: timhortons, wala naman kasing masama kung appointed as long as ang mga napili ay karapatdapat. At sabi mo nga based on past performance. This process will filter those players who are inconsistent. If the selection process is only qualifying tourney, there is a possibility that an inconsistent player will be included in the team. There are lots of suggestions when this was discussed at Wesley's site to make the selection process better. The best way is to have merits in every tournaments they play towards a qualifying tournament. This way there is a possibility that a player doesn't need to play in the qualifying tournament as long as he has all the necessary points to be included in the team. This is just my opinion please feel free to disagree. |
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Sep-28-08 | | timhortons: <karpov2985> team australia for the chess olympics is appointed also by there chess federation, if im not wrong , wala ako alam na ang united states nag karoon ng selection process para sa mga player nila sa olympiad, so probably kukunti lang ang bansa tulad ng pinas na nag ka roon ng qualifing round para sa olympiad. |
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Sep-28-08 | | timhortons: btw si grandmaster torre pala si "totoy bato" sa icc? may mga ilang pinoy player na naka laro ko sa icc na nag sabi sa akin na si totoy bato si eugene daw. |
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Sep-28-08 | | Karpov2985: Totoy bato! Is that supposed to be complement? Most probably because it means hindi mabuwagbuwag. |
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