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Aug-07-16  zanzibar: Sally, good one on the animated gif (and your post about signatures in another forum).

I have another contender for gaudiest cover:

https://kevinspraggettonchess.files...

Cheers.

Aug-08-16
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  Sally Simpson: I like David covers.

You could get away with reading that one the bus and people will think you a Sci-Fi fan and not a chess geek.

Oct-08-16  parisattack: Chess Books – The London System

As well as some old double-KP openings, the London System seems to be getting a renewed lease on life of late - as you can clearly see by the publication dates.

Perhaps players at the top are seeking positions less susceptible to the might engines?

I’ve never understood the London System – the QB sticks out like a sore thumb, IMHO. But there must be something to it; why argue with any of the Top-10 players who have essayed it the past year or two or three?

Holmes/de Prado – The Agile London System (2016)

Johnsen/Kovacevic – Win with the London System (2005) There was some excitement when this book was published, but the LS didn’t seem to catch at the higher ELO levels at the time.

Jones - London system: 20 Instructive Games (Kindle, 2016)

Lakdawala – First Steps: The Colle and London systems (2016)

Lakdawala – Play the London System (2010)

Lonsdale - Queen Pawn Game: The London System

Sedlak - Winning with the Modern London System (2016)

Soltis – The London System (1993)

My particular approach to studying openings is historically – working forward from the oldest books and games.

I am sure we can count on a London System: Move-by-Move in the near future!

Oct-09-16  Paint My Dragon: Going back even further ...

Harding - Colle, London and Blackmar-Diemer Systems (1979)

Has about 28 pages on the London System, including a separate section on the London versus a King's Indian set-up.

Oct-09-16  parisattack: Good catch <Paint My Dragon>, grazie.

The wonderful Batsford 'white' series!

Oct-11-16  Paint My Dragon: <parisattack> Yes, Batsford were the kings of all they surveyed in those halcyon days of opening lore.

For completeness, we might also mention the two Trends publications, although they were little more than database dumps of course ...

Wade/Gkountintas - Trends In The London System, Colle And Stonewall Attack (1992)

Flear - Trends In The London System Vol 2 (1998)

Oct-11-16  whiteshark: <parisattack: Chess Books – The London System> There's also

'The London System' by Marcus Schmuecker (2009)

Oct-11-16  parisattack: <Paint My Dragon> Yes, the little Trends booklets. True, DB dumps but fun to run through for a particular variation.

<Whiteshark> I am not familiar with the Schmuecker book. Is it currently available anywhere?

Oct-11-16  whiteshark: <parisattack> The book which he published himself is written in English. A (German) contents you can find here: http://www.schachversand.de/d/detai... --> click on 'Inhalt'

Many booksellers say it's out of print, but have a look here: https://www.newinchess.com/The_Lond... or http://www.schackbutiken.se/schackb...

Oct-11-16  parisattack: Thank You <whiteshark>! I'll pick up a copy.

My collection is some weak on QP openings tho I think I have everything on the Colle save some editions of Kolty's book.

Oct-12-16  whiteshark: <<parisattack> re Marcus Schmuecker>

Here's his website: http://www.schachcoach.com/publikat...

He said there he published an updated version in German last month with a well known German chess book publisher:

'Das Londoner System - richtig gespielt' (2016)

http://www.schachversand-ullrich.de...

Oct-12-16  parisattack: Hi <whiteshark>. It looks good, too! I'll compare it with the new English tomes just out this year.
Oct-21-16  parisattack: I have a 'just curious' question for the chess book collectors out there such as <whiteshark>, <zanzibar>, <FSR> and others...

It concerns the book, "World Chessmasters in Battle Royal" by Horowitz and Kmoch.

Over the years I've handled perhaps a half-dozen copies of this book with dust jacket. I have never seen one with a clean or even relatively intact DJ. They are all chipped at the edges and the spine, typically with pieces missing, very much in the same manner.

Here is an example:https://www.google.com/search?newwi...

I am guessing this is an issue with the paper used for the cover? I have many books with DJs going back to the 1930s and have always been able to find a copy with an intact DJ. As I said, just curious. My interest was piqued by a copy I bought on eBay in a small lot.

Oct-22-16  Paint My Dragon: <parisattack> I wonder if the post-war timing is significant. Money was very tight in the years following WW2 and so probably most enthusiasts would have just borrowed it from a library. And whilst library books were protected with plastic sleeves when I was a kid, I'm guessing no such thing existed back in 1949. Have your previous copies been mostly ex-library?

How good is this book by the way? It's not widely available in the UK, and as I already had the relevant volumes by Golombek and Euwe, the thought of ordering a copy from the U.S. always seemed a little extravagant. Having said that, I am a big fan of Kmoch.

Oct-22-16  parisattack: Hi <Paint My Dragon>. That could well be the case! I compared the paper with the DJs on some other McKay's post-war and it seems to be a somewhat harder paper, also.

I like the book. Golombek is good, also. In his prime Kmoch had a nice balance between comment and analysis. I remember in the last days of Chess Review, Horowitz kept Kmoch on even though Al had to step in with a small note when Hans' comments to a game were a little off the beam.

Oct-23-16  Paint My Dragon: <parisattack> Thanks. I will keep an eye open for the book should it ever appear somewhere at a knockdown price.

Yes, Kmoch lived and breathed the game and in his writings, would often draw on his intimate knowledge of the Viennese chess scene. Despite being readership rivals, he and Golombek were very good friends and after Kmoch's passing, Harry wrote a nice tribute to him in The Times (26/5/1973).

Oct-23-16  parisattack: <Paint My Dragon> Thanks, I'll have to look up that obit. CR also had a long write-up on Kmoch. I really miss 'The Picture Chess Magazine' and pull a volume fairly frequently for a walk down memory lane.

The book under discussion - 15 years ago it fetched $30 ->. I see it now for $10-$15. The mid-century chess book market has really taken a hit.

Oct-23-16  Paint My Dragon: <parisattack> Magazines can be a wonderful trip down memory lane ... and sometimes a bit heart-wrenching too.

It appears that Horowitz died just 3 weeks before Kmoch. I stumbled on one obit while looking for the other. What sad times for the office workers at CL&R. Indeed, Horowitz may still have been in post (although in a non-exec capacity).

I would say that the Kmoch obit by Hochberg is quite broad and comprehensive, whereas the Golombek piece is more of an informal appreciation of an old friend - a couple of humorous anecdotes and a game.

Dec-08-16  zanzibar: <Paris> just saw your old post about H & K... sorry I missed it.

I myself have a very limited number of hard-copy chess books in total - most of my collection is PDF's of out-of-copyright material.

The question is broader than just chess books, concerning paper quality. I have a limited knowledge on this, and only a very few books from the past.

The quality of the dust jacket must be similar to the quality of the pages inside - and is generally a function of the cloth content and acid content.

The more acid, and the less cloth, the less durable the pages. The dust cover is very vulnerable to damage from the sun, if left exposed on the bookcase. Plus, it is stressed by bending far more than any given page, with the exception of the inner cover binding (if hardback).

Dustjackets are very important to collectors, that I do know:

<A Guide to Book Conditions When considering the purchase of a book for your collection, the condition and, if applicable, the dust jacket are the most important factors affecting the value. It pays to become familiar with the basic descriptive terms used by used and rare booksellers to communicate a particular book’s condition.>

https://www.abebooks.com/books/rare...

https://www.abebooks.com/books/feat...

A little more:

<2. Do your books have dust jackets? Let’s consider a typical wall of books collected in the post-Industrial Revolution era (after 1840). Look at your books. Do you see the existence of dust jackets around the covers? These are the eminently disposable paper wrappers that were universally found cladding books in the post-World War I era. This is the single most critical aspect (some would say ONLY aspect) of value that a 20th century book can possess.

When you consider the fragile nature of paper dust jackets, it is not difficult to see how quickly they can be lost or damaged over the course of a century. The presence of this paper wrapper can represent up to 95% of the value of a 20th century title. Collectors are also very conscious of the condition of these jackets. Edge chipping and small tears need to be protected from getting worse. Thus a secondary plastic sleeve may be necessary to protect the condition of a rare book going forward.>

https://www.skinnerinc.com/news/blo...

(Of course, your book is a little younger.)

Here's another link talking about restoration a little, might be of interest:

http://www.biblio.com/blog/2008/03/...

For repairs there's really only one tape I trust - 3M's 845.

More on repairing:

http://www.shopbrodart.com/book-care/

https://www.abebooks.com/books/rare...

(There's probably many, many better links).

I abuse some of the cheap old books I do pick up 2nd hand from the library by using Clorox when the outside exposed pages are really nasty. I'm not sure how nice this works long-term, but it allows me to feel comfortable reading my copy.

Beware - modern paper turns yellow when treated this way. It has to be older, say pre-1975 books with some cloth content.

Did I mention I love sewn-bindings? Ah...

BTW- It looks like you can find a brand new copy of <WCiB> here:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-lis...

If you're feeling lucky and have $2,900 (beware- no mention of dj condition, that might be extra).

I'm a little curious about other publisher's from immediate post-WWII, and perhaps other books published by McKay that year to compare after hearing <PMD>'s (reasonable) suggestion.

Ah, but that's not exactly why I stopped here tonight...

Dec-08-16  zanzibar: I only recently discovered that Edward Winter has a <The Very Best Chess Books> page:

http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/...

Don't know how I missed that before. Maybe because I was only looking for the best chess books and not the the <very> best?!

(Has it been mentioned here in the book forum? I tried searching the kibitzing, to no avail.)

Interesting selection, of course. Urcan gets two Rowson recommendations in. Anybody second them?

Of course there's no opening book mentioned, like FCO, although FCE is there.

Also, what are we to make of the fact that there is but one solitary recommendation from the history department?

https://www.amazon.com/Aron-Nimzowi...

A great selection, to be sure. But the only one?

Dec-09-16  parisattack: <Zanzibar> Thanks for the tip on the Kmoch book. Alas, I must pass on it. ;)

More later regards your posts...

Dec-10-16  zanzibar: Winter has his best chess books ever list, but others do as well:

https://www.chess.com/article/view/...

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Dec-12-16  parisattack: <Zanzibar> Some great links on books; grazie!

My experience is that DJs are very important to chess book collectors. Most collectors I know will not even take a no-DJ volume even if very reasonably priced. (Assuming, of course, one was issued.)

Yet - I also collected books on philately - and the obsession for DJs seems much less. Perhaps because the books are more a means-to-an-end for stamp collectors. Perhaps why eBooks and such are OK if the end is not collecting but research.

Books take lots of space. I haven't had all my collection out for many years. I tend to rotate them, about 1/2 up, 1/2 in storage. I suppose if you are a DD or AA and can afford to add a library to your home it is a different tale. Probably another argument for eBooks and such but alas, I've been hooked-on-books since childhood and need the feel of the real deal.

Dec-12-16  TheFocus: <parisattack> <I tend to rotate them, about 1/2 up, 1/2 in storage.>

When I visit, you might wanna have them all out!! We're gonna be busy.

I would love to see DD or AA's libraries!! Although I have seen pictures of DD's... and I hope he let's me visit.

Dec-12-16  TheFocus: Of course, most of my apartment is my library!!
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