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   Jan-08-21 Chessgames Bookie chessforum (replies)
 
Chessgames Bookie: Thanks for the tip, WinKing. Hope it works because, to tell you the truth, I'm feeling a bit frustrated. ciao, jingo
 
   Jan-08-21 chessgames.com chessforum (replies)
 
Chessgames Bookie: It would be great if we could get the Bookie site set up to start the new leg with the TATA Steel tournament about to begin in a week. Thanks
 
   Dec-26-20 Sargon chessforum (replies)
 
Chessgames Bookie: Sargon, Could we get an adminstrator to close out the Fall Leg of the Chessbookie? Prizes and reset all to $1000, or more if we're not going to get a mid-leg payday? Thanks, jingo Gens una sumus!
 
   Oct-07-20 Norway Chess (2020) (replies)
 
Chessgames Bookie: Please join us at the ChessBookie room for some fun wagering, play money. Tough competition! Altibox Norway 2020, Rd 6: Aronian-Caruana Thanks
 
   Oct-01-20 Kibitzer's Café (replies)
 
Chessgames Bookie: Rub your lucky charm! Time to bet on the Winner of the upcoming Altibox tournament. Altibox Norway 2020: Winner! Gens una sumus
 
   Sep-16-20 Petrosian vs G Stoltz, 1952 (replies)
 
Chessgames Bookie: I had no idea that Kotov won that tournament, and with what a score!!
 
   Sep-15-20 St. Louis Rapid & Blitz (2020) (replies)
 
Chessgames Bookie: And how will Alireza do tomorrow against the Champ? St. Louis Rapid & Blitz, Rd 7 Rapid: Firouzja-Carlsen Place your bet (after checking your crystal ball, of course).
 
   Sep-13-20 Champions Showdown Chess 9LX (2020) (replies)
 
Chessgames Bookie: Speaking of draws, how many today in round 7? Starts in a few hours. Only one in Rd 6 yesterday. Place your bets! Click ChessBookie at the top of the page to play!
 
   Apr-19-20 moronovich chessforum (replies)
 
Chessgames Bookie: Hi moronovich, I'm jingohanson, the new Bookie. The Pick two is for day four of the event, with the games I posted. Sorry about the confusion. I should have put (Day 4) in the description. Thanks for welcoming me. Your suggestions are welcome. Ciao, jingohanson
 
   Dec-23-19 Biographer Bistro (replies)
 
Chessgames Bookie: Just for the record. Annie and Twinlark were volunteers. I posted more on my profile page. 😊
 
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Jul-15-15  gauer: Although the final round starts earlier (at lunch), the http://www.canadianchesszonal.com/x... was displaying a couple of "near-live" games (along with a pgn file there). Gerzhoy - Krnan, Noritsyn - Hansen, Preotu - Sambuev (many of the top-10 boards appear interesting...) etc are the pending 9th round pairings after Nikolay slowed down Bator in the last round.

The 2 GMs (but a couple of other players have a GM norm notched in their belt previously) drew in the 7th, and a couple of others have had other decent international results in European events or on particular Olympiad tables, etc.

Jul-15-15
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  Chessgames Bookie: <gauer>

I stopped putting up Canadian Chess Championship games since the chess-results site is unavailable, but thanks for that.

However, since you request it, I'll put up one bet on that (these games don't seem to be too popular).

- Penguin

Jul-16-15
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  Chessgames Bookie: Just a quick notice here. Regarding CRM/LST: Joe DiMaggio's Hit Streak.

Looking at chess24 and 2700chess, they both list Lu Shanglei - Fedoseev as ending with 57.Kf4 1-0. However, chessdom lists it as ending with 53.Kg3. :|

chessdom is probably wrong, but I still don't like seeing this dispute. I also don't like waiting, but as <Switch> would say <I know delaying the payoff also inconveniences some players, but it's the lesser of two evils.> (when comparing paying off bets to delaying)

Anyway, I'll give some time and see what the Lake Sevan games bring (and also time for some bettors to voice their opinion), but reminder that I have the last say. You will know when I have made my decision when you see the bet being payoff.

In the meantime, I've paid off the outstanding bets, and I'm about to place some new ones up (does anyone here think I place up <too> many bets).

- Penguin

Jul-16-15
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  SwitchingQuylthulg: <Bookie> Chessdom now also shows 57 moves. There was some issue with the relay today that caused various sites to show incomplete game scores; chess24 kept switching between 47 and 57 moves at one point.
Jul-16-15
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  SwitchingQuylthulg: <If the Chinese women score more points than the Chinese women, the "Women" ticket will pay.>

I think you meant "more points than the Chinese men" :)

Jul-16-15
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  Chessgames Bookie: Okay, I'll admit; that mistake made me laugh. :)

FTR: In the future, if (when) I make any mistakes where the real intent is obvious (ex. that one), then I won't reply to it. I'll just fix it (and that's how you know I replied to it).

- Penguin

Jul-17-15
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  Penguincw: For future reference:

I see Lake Sevan Tournament R6: Anton Guijarro First Move had no money on the "OTHER" line. What if Anton Guijarro played 1.g3? All bets refunded (or bookie keeps all the dough ;) )?

Jul-17-15  WinKing: Lake Sevan Tournament - official site:

http://sevan.chessacademy.am/?lang=en

Jul-17-15  WinKing: <Penguincw: What if Anton Guijarro played 1.g3? All bets refunded (or bookie keeps all the dough ;) )?>

I would think 'bookie keeps all the dough' sounds about right. If the bettors aren't smart enough(myself included of course) to cover all the bases...oh well...sorry about your luck.

Jul-17-15
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  Penguincw: Sounds good to me. :)

FTR: In the preseason, I did a testing bet where I had 2 lines. I had one of my "lab mice" place 25 cbs on the first line, with the 2nd line paying. Sure enough, if that happens, then all the bettors lose their money. The Bookie still collects juice, but I can't remember if the bookie collects all the money (maybe the next new user-bookie can do that bet for me).

Jul-17-15  MarkFinan: At least I don't have to admit to HMM that his football rule changes are welcomed by all, lol. Can we have the same bet but with a bit more clarity, the tripled pawns thing is a 1000/1 shot, but at least I know where to put all my money this time 😈

Lol. You're doing a great job Pengerz, bless yer.

Jul-17-15
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  Penguincw: Alright <Mark>, if you request it.

CRM/GLM/LST: DOGBERRY'S PAWN STRUCTURE SPECIAL

I added the tripled pawns thing, but I don't want to be a "money printer", so I made it 16 games. :) It's easier than <Switch>'s initial bet, but harder than the first bet I put up. I hope this is what you wanted, but if it's not, don't worry, it'll come back.

FTR: I copied the terms <Switch> posted above.

However, I think the bet with the "worst" odds would be Anogia Open R9: Tamir - Grigoriadis (1.04 on 1-0). My logic was that since David only needed a draw with black (against someone 450+ points lower), Nabaty probably won't bother to win. However, no one caught on...

Reminder folks that if you have a suggestion, suggest it. I'm easy.*

*Okay, well, not <that> easy. If you have a suggestion, say it, and I'll consider it (don't worry, I'm not as unreasonable as in real life). I want to make you people happy, but I don't want to make it <too> "easy" (whatever that means).

However, one suggestion I won't be accepting is the Gelfand - Liren match (I thought about it, but cancelled it).

Jul-18-15  MarkFinan: Thanks Pengerz :)

I'm probably going to be told I'm wrong here, but I was sure Switch said that all 20 boards must have doubled pawns for over 2/3/4 (definitely over a few plys anyway) moves and no board must have tripled pawns at any point in the games. That's the only time I was 100% the Yes ticket was going to pay, the other day is the only time I was 100% the No ticket would pay.

Jul-19-15
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  Penguincw: Congrats to the jackpot winner in China - Russia Match R4: Pick Three for picking WWW. I see there were a lot of holes in that bet. Hopefully P3 will be a popular bet at Biel...

I noticed there are a lot of jackpot winners (ex. 50 cbs has been a jackpot winner).

Jul-19-15
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  SwitchingQuylthulg: <Penguincw: Congrats to the jackpot winner in China - Russia Match R4: Pick Three for picking WWW.>

Thanks :)

Jul-19-15  MarkFinan: Pengerz.. Where have all my P3 bets gone to? And if my maths are correct I should have about 1900 cb's now, even if all my little P3 bets lose. The only explanation is that as I pressed "discard losing tickets" you confirmed the outcome of the games and I lost! That still doesn't explain the TBA (on the P3) at the bottom of the screen.
Jul-19-15  MarkFinan: And I am going to moan a bit now.. Is it fair on people who haven't even qualified that the ex bookie wins every leg taking a place in the championship leg he already has? I really like you Switch so this isn't personal, I'd say the same if it was me, and said something similar (That got deleted!) a week or two back. Switch knows the ins and outs of the ceegee bookies, he wins every leg! I'm not saying he shouldn't be allowed to play, but I am saying whoever loses out takes his position, he's already in the championship leg.
Jul-19-15  MarkFinan: <Penguincw: Congrats to the jackpot winner in China - Russia Match R4: Pick Three for picking WWW. I see there were a lot of holes in that bet>

Which only an ex bookie could exploit, because I see no holes!? I have to ask... Was that today's P3? (Not the Yi one).

Jul-19-15
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  Penguincw: < Mark: Pengerz.. Where have all my P3 bets gone to? And if my maths are correct I should have about 1900 cb's now, even if all my little P3 bets lose. The only explanation is that as I pressed "discard losing tickets" you confirmed the outcome of the games and I lost! That still doesn't explain the TBA (on the P3) at the bottom of the screen. >

Are you saying that I incorrectly paid off a bet? Or are you saying that there might be a technical issue?

< And I am going to moan a bit now.. Is it fair on people who haven't even qualified that the ex bookie wins every leg taking a place in the championship leg he already has? I really like you Switch so this isn't personal, I'd say the same if it was me, and said something similar (That got deleted!) a week or two back. Switch knows the ins and outs of the ceegee bookies, he wins every leg! I'm not saying he shouldn't be allowed to play, but I am saying whoever loses out takes his position, he's already in the championship leg. >

I believe what you are saying is that it shouldn't be fair to someone who qualifies over and over to take away spots for others. I agree, but I believe the purpose is to make sure those qualifiers compete again instead of resting until the Championship leg.

(sorry, in a rush, gotta go, I'll look at those posts deeper when I get back)

Jul-19-15
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  Penguincw: < Mark: Which only an ex bookie could exploit, because I see no holes!? >

Yeah, that's <Switch> alright. There was another jackpot today too in Lake Sevan Tournament R8: Daily Double (WB was the jackpot winner). I wonder who hit that one...

But for the record, tbh, I had no idea that was a jackpot winner (other than the fact that it says "2") until I paid off the bet and saw that there was only one ticket (for 2 cbs, didn't say who) with the winning line.

< I have to ask... Was that today's P3? (Not the Yi one). >

Yeah, that was today's P3. I normally don't include a P3, since I see demand is low. Hopefully that changes for Biel.

But I see what you're trying to say now. You thought I paid off the Wei Yi P3, when I didn't (confused it with the R4 P3). If that's the case, no problem. I think it's my fault I put out 2 P3s. Apparently I haven't learned my lesson yet. :p

Back to your rant on qualifying for the ChessBookie championship.

This is just my personal opinion: yeah, I agree. I don't really like how <cg> automatically has the top 10 entering, not considering those who have already qualified. Of course, they have reasons for so. The main reason is to ensure that players who have already qualified return. For example, if one has already qualified from the Spring Leg, knowing they can't qualify again, would they really want to play again. Probably not (well, maybe), and this isn't good, considering this game is waning. Looking at the archives, legs used to have as many as 600+ participants. Last leg, <Switch> managed to rally just 300 (and that was with advertising).

What I suggest is when deciding who qualifies, cancel out those who have already qualified so that some people who are good, but not the best, can get a chance. Adding a few more participants to the Championship Leg won't make much of a difference, but to those very players, it can change everything for them. I suggest <cg> test to see how it turns out, even if it's just for one season.

Yeah, that's my 5 cents.

(<Mark>, I suggest you stop reading now)

In other news, I see a tripled pawn occurred in Artemiev-Sevian, so you know what that means. CRM/GLM/LST: DOGBERRY'S PAWN STRUCTURE SPECIAL

To be honest, I was going to wait to have someone confirm the result for me, but then decided to trust the chess sites, my instincts and eyes.

I'm glad there was a tripled pawn, because that means I can stop searching ply for ply. ;)

Jul-19-15
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  SwitchingQuylthulg: <Penguincw: There was another jackpot today too in Lake Sevan Tournament R8: Daily Double (WB was the jackpot winner). I wonder who hit that one...>

;-)

<MarkFinan> <Penguincw> With your system, we could have a player placing 11th and not qualifying, and then the next leg someone could be 17th (with half the chessbucks) and qualify. If I were the guy who placed 11th and missed out, I wouldn't feel that was very fair.

Besides, as already noted, people who've already qualified would have even less incentive to play the game than they do now. And the changes would complicate what is currently a very simple system everybody can understand.

<Adding a few more participants to the Championship Leg won't make much of a difference, but to those very players, it can change everything for them. I suggest <cg> test to see how it turns out, even if it's just for one season.>

This is an interesting point, but I think it would be better to simply let the top 12 qualify every leg if we wanted that. The leaderboard already shows 12 players in any case.

Jul-19-15  MarkFinan: <<I'm glad there was a tripled pawn, because that means I can stop searching ply for ply. ;)>>

Yeah. That printer stopped working for me today, lol. Only 200 though. I would have put 1500 on if I'd had the opportunity so not all bad.

<<If I were the guy who placed 11th and missed out, I wouldn't feel that was very fair.>> I know I'm only partly quoting you, Switch but this is my point.. Let's say I won this leg. I would still prefer 11th to join me in the championship leg because I've already qualified. If someone comes 17th and qualifies with half the $$$ it's because 7 other people have already qualified anyway, I don't see the problem but I'm certainly not laying any blame at whoever the bookie is.

And I think you're doing a great job, Pengerz. One of the bets really confused me today but I didn't want to say anything because I know it's your first time.

Jul-19-15  MarkFinan: Oh and the first set of P3 bets. I'm not bothered, I only had 200 on and lost anyway, but the bets vanished without me having to discard the tickets. I don't know what happened but it's alright.
Jul-19-15
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  chessgames.com: <Is it fair on people who haven't even qualified that the ex bookie wins every leg taking a place in the championship leg he already has? ... Switch knows the ins and outs of the ceegee bookies, he wins every leg!>

Switching was scooping up 1st places long before he ever volunteered to be Chess Bookie. He wins a lot because he's excellent at the game. Full stop.

So yes, I think it's eminently fair.

Jul-19-15  MarkFinan: I see you missed my point, period.
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